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CfNorENa
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:10 am    Post subject: Kronos sequencer Reply with quote

I figured this could use its own thread.

So all signs point to the Kronos sequencer being based on that of the Oasys (but with upgraded resolution, from 196 ppq to 480 ppq). But none of the goodies from the M3 Xpanded.

Some questions:

* Can we get someone from Korg or a visitor to NAMM to confirm this?

* If it's the Oasys sequencer, why? Don't they have the M3 software technology ready to port over?

* If it's the Oasys sequencer, what do you reckon are the chances of an update, with improved spec?

* If it's the Oasys sequencer, is that a deal breaker for anyone? I don't think it is for me, but it does take some of the luster off of this.

Discuss.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, the only sequencer which impressed me over the years, either hardware or software, is the MRC sequencer in the Roland XP-80. The way it's incorporated and able to use the keyboard as an editing tool is simply awesome.

I used the onboard sequencer in the Triton and Karma for years now, and before that, the basic sequencer in the Ensoniq SD-1 and TS-10, which were decent but even more basic than the Oasys sequencer. So I'm already set to pick up work on my album project in the Kronos... when I can afford one. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: Kronos sequencer Reply with quote

CfNorENa wrote:

* Can we get someone from Korg or a visitor to NAMM to confirm this?


I think Korg work staff are at NAMM and not sitting at home, lonely, in front of a PC, visiting here at this time......

Maybe you should wait a while, at least until next week, after NAMM....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, how I loved the sequencer in Ensoniq ASR-10! Basic still powerful - amazing design by very clever guys.

If KRONOS has the same sequencer than the one in OASYS, I still think it's good and if somebody doesn't like it he can use KRONOS connected to his DAW through USB. So maybe it's not so urgent to improve that sequencer, it could be an update later.

I know Korg people are continuously watching this forum, even from NAMM. (So be nice and smile. Wink )
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given all the flack that the Korg guys took for not putting M3 improvements in the OASYS sequencer, I would have to guess that it has at least those upgrades, as well as a Cue List and some other goodies.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject: Compatibility sequence data m3 <=> kronos Reply with quote

I'd like to know from some korg specialist if I can import the song and the pattern created by m3

most likely will buy the Kronos, is a machine which I think is really interesting, and I could think to sell my m3.

But I'd like to understand what concerns the compatibility of the sequencer data

Thanks to those who can answer
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Conway wrote:
Given all the flack that the Korg guys took for not putting M3 improvements in the OASYS sequencer, I would have to guess that it has at least those upgrades, as well as a Cue List and some other goodies.

oasys did not have a cue list??
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Compatibility sequence data m3 <=> kronos Reply with quote

afr wrote:
I'd like to know from some korg specialist if I can import the song and the pattern created by m3

most likely will buy the Kronos, is a machine which I think is really interesting, and I could think to sell my m3.

But I'd like to understand what concerns the compatibility of the sequencer data

Thanks to those who can answer


I am sure you can not load m3 song file but, you can save as midi ad load that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Compatibility sequence data m3 <=> kronos Reply with quote

biggrime wrote:
afr wrote:
I'd like to know from some korg specialist if I can import the song and the pattern created by m3

most likely will buy the Kronos, is a machine which I think is really interesting, and I could think to sell my m3.

But I'd like to understand what concerns the compatibility of the sequencer data

Thanks to those who can answer


I am sure you can not load m3 song file but, you can save as midi ad load that.


Of course,but I'll lose all pattern.

Tnx
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Conway wrote:
Given all the flack that the Korg guys took for not putting M3 improvements in the OASYS sequencer, I would have to guess that it has at least those upgrades, as well as a Cue List and some other goodies.


Someone showed a screenshot of the sequencer, and there was no "Track View" tab. I guess that means no piano roll editor (I suppose I could be wrong about that)...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akos Janca wrote:
Yes, how I loved the sequencer in Ensoniq ASR-10! Basic still powerful - amazing design by very clever guys.

If KRONOS has the same sequencer than the one in OASYS, I still think it's good and if somebody doesn't like it he can use KRONOS connected to his DAW through USB. So maybe it's not so urgent to improve that sequencer, it could be an update later.

I know Korg people are continuously watching this forum, even from NAMM. (So be nice and smile. Wink )


I bought the ASR-10 the day it came out and used it for years and years. Way ahead of its time. One of the reasons why I am such a fan of Ableton's session view because it works very similar to the Ensoniq way of thinking except way more powerful. Never cared for Korg's sequencers I always use offboard with their equipment.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've seen so far ,which is not much it looks like this is the only area which has not been looked at enough. I wouldn't hold your breath for anything of significant change in this dept,which for me is a shame.

Will do some more research and see what I can find out.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was also wondering if the Kronos sequencer/HDR has the newer M3 features?

Yet again, the demonstrators barely mention the sequencer/HDR just like they barely showed us any guitar/bass programs.

I would be gobsmacked if the Kronos came with the same sequencer as Oasys! After all, there were so many complaints and requests about improving this area of the instrument especially considering that they were able to do so with the M3 that has a much smaller screen!

Perhaps Korg will improve the sequencer with a free 'Verson 2' or 'Expanded' upgrade in about 12-18 months like they did with the M3.

I thought that this was a fantastic gesture on Korg's behalf for M3 owners but sadly, the Oasys was ignored.

Lets hope that Korg hasn't been so short sighted as to not improve the Kronos sequencer. I also notice that there's no phontom powered XLR mic input on the Kronos? This is indeed a stupid hardware design choice although SP/DIF is at least available to hook up a superior external mic pre.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And yet for under a grand I could throw together a low-end PC with Cubase 6 on it. Why even put a MIDI/audio sequencer on these things? MIDI/audio playback, yes. But who would not use a computer for any type of recording audio or MIDI?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boynton wrote:
But who would not use a computer for any type of recording audio or MIDI?


I bought the OASYS for its integration - and for all its failings, it's much quicker to get an idea down into the sequencer and build it up than to fire up a PC / Mac, make sure everything's working, create a track, etc.

I've surprised myself by how big a track I can build so quickly using both the Triton and the OASYS.

The seqencer isn't as good as any of the big DAWs, but it's a great place to start!

IMHO...

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