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Oboemd · Junior Member Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 69

Extreme 88 and Oasys RH2. M3, PA588, SV-1; RH3

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hermanmusic · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:11 pm Post subject:

billbaker · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:54 pm Post subject:

I think the real quandary lies in transition from one to another -- weighted vs unweighted.

I use both, in a TEX 88 (weighted) and T-Classic (synth) AND a Steinway if I'm doing my regular church gig, I've had to spend a lot of time (re)building up my "piano" chops in order to get comfortable on the TEX after many years of playing Triton and Trinity unweighted actions.

For me the key issue (pun intended) more than the organ/piano dilemma is the ability to inject subtle nuance into the performance gestures. Take key strike velocity -- how much force it takes to trigger a velocity layer in a combination -- they're completely different, and after playing a weighted board I find everything I play has a velocity of 127 on an unweighted board. And the same goes in the other direction. Gestures that give nicely gradiated and musical results using a piano voice on unweighted keys sound way underplayed on weighted keys.

So, to a certain extent I'd agree with robinkle's piano teacher that a weighted keyboard is "better" - certainly for transitions from weighted key bed synth to acoustic piano. But I gotta think this is all ultimately an apples/oranges argument. Each key bed has its strengths and weaknesses, and if you're dissatisfied with your results entering drums using keys maybe you need an AKAI style finger pad controller... and there's a thought -- Wouldn't it be cool if the USB ports on the Kronos could support some peripheral/secondary controllers like an unweighted waterfall key bed, drum pad, EWI, or (oooo-eeee-ooooh-aaaah!) theramin.

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Hedegaard · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:31 pm Post subject:

EvilDragon · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject:

It might be related to velocity curves and velocity sensitivity of a program...

Akos Janca · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject:

CfNorENa · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:51 pm Post subject:

mackbaz · Junior Member Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Posts: 97

Just my 2 cents.. I hope they have done something to improve the quality of the RH3 on the kronos. I have the SV-1 and while I absolutely love the action.. the keybed noise is inconsistent. Some keys click very audibly, while others are solid. Korg says its the nature of the product. So I sure hope the nature of the Kronos isn't to suck as well.. bad idea for a flagship I think.

I'm seriously thinking about taking the board somewhere to have it modified. Nothing worse than playing a nice legato piece only to have it interrupted by a big click.

Hedegaard · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject:

I was wondering, is keybed numbering the same as Korg's conventional numbering standard?

For example:
T1 - best (88 keys)
T2 - better (76)
T3 - good (61)

Then:
RH1 - best
RH2 - better
RH3 - good

Or, is RH3 the best and everything below is worse?

Jon Lord · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject:

mymusic42 · Junior Member Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 93

TkWall · Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 45 Location: Boston, USA

No matter how you cut it, you can't play a decent piano on a synth bed, and you sure can't play good B3 technique on weighted keys. I think the keys on my TEX88 are superb, and remember one reviewer calling them "oily" which actually is a good fit.

I remember posting on S. Kay's site about my never-ending dream of a variable weighted keyboard. Someone pointed out that a keyboard (don't remember which one) actually had one in the distant past.

Korg makes their own now and it seems like a variable weighted keyboard would be a killer addition. Don't know how, I ain't no engineer, but it seems like mini air pistons, or some such thing on each key could be controlled digitally. You could have a range of feels..no resistance, tons, resistance curves, whatever. Change on the fly..maybe linked to each patch. Probably add a lot of weight, maintenance would be a horror...still...I'd ante up for one.

Randelph · Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject:

Akos Janca wrote,