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aquablue · Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Posts: 21

I am wondering, is this combination better than a Kronos?

CP1/CP5: better keyboard, but how do its pianos/epianos stack up to kronos?

Motif XF: Pros over Kronos: 4 real arps whereas Kronos has no programmable arps at all (karma too complicated to create arps on keyboard), famous yamaha acoustic samples that are beyond Kronos in certain areas, flash ram which allows me to load anything I want (vs no flash for Kronos), karma 3 vs 2 now.

Question: How much of that 12GB of samples is dedicated to non-piano/drums like strings, orchestral, world, synth samples, etc?

Also, I'm a studio musician and I have some vintage and modern analog and a couple of VA, combined with computer samples and VST. I need a workstation and perhaps a stage piano for proper piano feel. I'm wondering could Kronos be for me?

Thanks
Aqua

EnjoyRC · Last edited by EnjoyRC on Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:38 pm; edited 1 time in total

aquablue · Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Posts: 21

So, what is in the remaining 4GB? Seems too much on pianos.

EnjoyRC · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject:

Jon Lord · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Kronos vs CP1/5 and Motif XF?

aquablue · Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Posts: 21

So, how much memory is for other instruments?

aquablue · Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Posts: 21

If you load 1GB of your samples and have to unload korg samples, it makes no sense... you can't use them all together which defeats the purpose, no? Also, you can only use 1GB at a time compared with 2GB on the XF.

Having no proper arps is a disgrace.... the XF has 4!!!! Can you make your own arps with Karma software and how many of them can run together?

How many GB's of sounds are dedicated to orchestral and guitars, etc? It seems like it is basically all focused on piano. No wonder the guitar sounds poor compared to the XF given that the piano takes up everything.

EnjoyRC · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject:

Jon Lord · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:57 pm Post subject:

Synthoid · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Kronos vs CP1/5 and Motif XF?

burningbusch · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject:

I used to own a CP-1 and currently own the Motif XF8. Yamaha is sampled-based. Yes the EPs/APs in the CP series have some modeling but what you're hearing are the samples (yes, the FM pianos on the $5000 CP-1 do use FM but only for four EP tones and are not programmable to any degree).

Based on a lot of online research I've done since the Kronos was announced and listening to OASYS demos vs. the others and based on my experience with the OASYS in the past, I'm thoroughly confident the Kronos is going to absolutely KILL. The various synth engines (3 VAs, CX-3, MOD-7 and STR-1) just flat out sound vastly superior to trying to emulate what they do using samples. For the first time pianos will be properly executed with no loops and every note sampled. Add to the 30GB SSD, wave-sequencing, KARMA and much easier to use interface on a hi-res color touch screen.

The Motif arps are really used as phase patterns to provide auto-accompaniment and drum tracks. If you're looking for auto-accompaniment the arranger keyboards are much more capable plus Roland just announced a nice auto-accompniment module that can be used with anything.

Oh, and the "nylon guitar" in the demo was generated using Plucked String. While it might not sound as accurate as a sampled-based version it is MUCH more flexible and response to the touch in ways the three layer + slide nylon on the Motif will never do. The Kronos also has nylon guitar(s) that are sampled-based.

In my book it's not even close.

Busch.

Zeroesque · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:04 pm Post subject:

vEddY · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Kronos vs CP1/5 and Motif XF?

aquablue · Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Posts: 21

All i want to know is this:

1) Karma is more sophisticated but it seems less easy to get what I want from it. I like to create my own complicated electronic arpeggios since I make electronic music and I need them to remain unchanged and rigid. Can I do this either with h/w or the software and have 4 complicated lines of continuous rythmic notes being played together when I am composing?

2) I need to know how many GB's of the HD are dedicated to other instruments such as orchestral and vintage synth samples so I can compare this to the Motif's sample memory.

I have little need for VA's, given that I have a Virus and the following synths: Oberheim Xpander, Oberheim 4 voice, Moog Voyager, Prophet 5.

3) I need to know how CP1/5 compares with Krono's pianos/e pianos b/c tjje wooden keyboard of the CP series pleases me more for piano than the korg keyboard.

Thank You
aq

Zeroesque · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:35 pm Post subject: