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[peter_schwartz]

FWIW, if you had a song which used one track playing a sound from each model, would there not be 9 sound engines playing? It's e-x-a-c-t-l-y the same situation as if you used 9 virtual instruments in a song playing out of a DAW (Logic, Cubase, whatever). Those 9 plugs are 9 "sound engines". Like it or not.

But, if we're going to cater to the specious argument that started this thread off, you could try and justify how the computer producing all the sounds from those 9 DAW-based plugs are really just one sound engine because it's just one computer.



I only started to re-visit this board after the Kronos was announced. After all, I spent a good chunk of my life programming sounds for it and consulting on the design of some of the models, so naturally I'm be curious to see what people think, and that includes critiques. But if you're going to be negative or critical, at least present a argument that has some actual merit to it, or has some basis in fact.

[CfNorENa]

[peter_schwartz]

Thanks CfNorENa. I appreciate what you wrote very much.

To be clear, my comments weren't directed at you. They were definitely directed at EvilDragon tho. I wish I could agree with you that what he started was a light-hearted discussion, as the first sentence in his first post started was: "Now, I hope this thread of mine won't raise a flame war". If that's light hearted (and, if pressing the point he's trying make is also light hearted) then let's just chalk it up to "that's not the kind of humour I'm used to".

Regarding marketing, every company is equally as guilty (all things being equal) of trying to put their best foot forward when bringing a new product to market. The best marketing is truthful and doesn't significantly over-state the capabilities of whatever it is, whether it's an ironing board or a musical instrument. Personally (and I definitely am speaking personally here, as I'm not an employee of Korg) I don't see what there is to take Korg to task for about counting nine things and then building a marketing campaign against that exact quantity. But again, maybe starting a thread trying to debate that point is just not the kind of humour I'm used to.

Anyway, once you all take possession of your Kronii I'm sure you'll be pretty darn happy.


[edited for stoopit spelling errors]

[CfNorENa]

[EvilDragon]

It indeed was my intention only to discuss - and it didn't have any "evil" connotations.

[peter_schwartz]

[Akos Janca]

From musicians' point of view:

Kronos has 9 "sound modules" built-in that can generate different characteristic sounds independently from each other. Even can be combined with each other. It's like having nine instruments in one. For short: it's a "9-in-1 keyboard". Who doesn't want one?
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[EvilDragon]

[Kevin Nolan]

I remember the first time I installed LAC-1 (MS20 and P6) on OASYS. The MS20 in particular threw me completely - it really was a quite 'confusing' and daunting experience - in a really good way. Here was the OASYS which I'd come to know so well through HD-1, AL-1 and STR-1, now set up as a totally different polyphonic modular synthesizer with what, 80 note polyphony (who cares it's huge) and the programmability of a PS3300 (or close) and external input from the rest of the OASYS's architecture. It was mesmerising. The screen filled with black knobs and patch panel capability. That alone really impressed upon me just how different OASYS was to any other hardware instrument around at the time (and still to this day). It's impressive to say the least.

Here are a few screen shots of just LAC-1:

http://www.korg.co.uk/products/workstations/oasys/ws_oasys7.asp


So the real experience of having seven distinct synthesizers in OASYS continues, to this day, to be incredibly rewarding - and incredibly unique in hardware. It's easy to rattle off figures like 5 or 9 distinct synth types - but in earnest and in the flesh, each one is significant, deep and incredibly rewarding. It really is, in practice, a totally different experience to using any other workstation, whether Kurzweil, Motif or whatever. The prospect of adding two new piano models to rival the SV-1 and CP1 is a mouth-watering prospect - to say nothing of being able to integrate all of this into a DAW environment.

Just think about it - an 80 note polyphonic virtual modular synth - as just one option, while MOD-7, as an aside, provides access to the entire legacy of hundreds of thousands of DX/FM sounds. All latency free. I simply can't imagine a studio not having at lease a 61 note version of Kronos to be used as a workhorse (for starters). I believe a rack version of this, marketed correctly, could be a huge success.

Kevin.

[jemkeys25]

just remember, sound is moving air, and there's many ways to do it. a piano and a rhodes piano are related, depressing a key, move a hammer at high speed to strike a tuned piece of metal, yet we all know they're different, same concept, different results, different sounds. How many of us out there could accually make something like a kronos keyboard from scratch, not very many, I know I can't, can't wait to play one though. how many of you are willing to throw away a few of the engines if you believe their the same. anybody, anybody. I know I want them all, as a matter of fact I want more if i can get them. If the engineers at korg are telling me i'm getting 9 different sound engines, then i have know reason not to believe them.
I don't think alot of you are realizing what your getting with this board.
you're getting the DX7, and not just one, but 1 to 16 DX7's if you wish.
and don't forget the 28 years of after market sounds to go through.(I love one DX7 let alone 16')and MOD7 goes way beyond the DX7.
You're getting the hd1, thats 12 GIGA, I said GIGABYTES of sampled sounds, unlooped pianos, and electric pianos, as well as evey other sampled basic sound, my k2661 has 48 megs, and sounds great, so imagine what you can do with 12 gigs of samples.
three different analog modelers each with its own way of producing sound.(I'd be happy with one but i'll take all three).
then you have the plucked string modeler for all your synthesised guitars,basses,slide guitars,harps,you name it.
you have wavesequencing, vector shaping and mixing.
so why are we arguing apples to oranges.
















giga

[synthguy]

[CfNorENa]

Again, remember, this is (at least as far as I'm concerned) a conceptual discussion, not a debate (nor an argument, nor the rantings of a disgruntled customer, etc. etc.).

But let's take a concrete example: MS20EX and PolysixEX. Given that all the modeling on these is distinct (more or less, as far as I understand), and since they can produce very different sounds, I'm quite willing to identify them as two separate synthesis engines. And that was Korg's initial claim, and I'm fine with it. But two different synthesis types? Not to my way of thinking. They're both VAs. So the main point of the OP still seems right to me (and re-read the title of his thread). I would lump an Access Virus TI and a Nord Lead into the same category, too (even though the difference in sound btw those two is surely even more pronounced than btw the two EXis).

Were probably just down to semantics at this point.

And again, for the record, I'm as excited by the big K as anyone, and can't wait to put all nine [fill in the blanks] to good use!
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[Brandon Daniel]

[EvilDragon]

Yep, CX-3 isn't a sample playback engine at all, I think CfNorENa was a bit mistaken there. My original post states CX-3 as a tonewheel modeling (additive) engine.

[CfNorENa]

Korg Kronos. One synthesizer. Nine synthesis engines. Infinite possibilities. Korg Kronos. Prepare to be amazed.
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