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miketxo · Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Posts: 10

Does anybody knows if its possible to do this with our XL? I have tried it without success.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljIKNhF57G0

Cheers,
Mikel

Fitvideo · Joined: 27 Jan 2010 Posts: 4 Location: Ilkley, England

this works plug your XL in to your PC .. not Mac... that will come later...

http://patches.remixia.com/

regards

Fitvideo

miketxo · Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Posts: 10

Do you mean that this patch is in this web? Ive been looking for it and i cant find it. Do you know the patch name?

xmlguy · Platinum Member Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 3544

miketxo · Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Posts: 10

I have tried to traslate it to the XL, but it seems that i have done something wrong! I was looking for the patch file to know wats wrong.

xmlguy · Platinum Member Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 3544

miketxo · Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Posts: 10

xmlguy · Platinum Member Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 3544

You've made quite a few errors in your translation.

The biggest is that the MK has only one filter. Your MKXL patch is set to use both filters in serial mode, and FILT2 is set to a Low Pass with a CutOff value of 0. That pretty much ruins the whole result, since it cuts out all of the high frequencies. You need to use filter routing Single, so that Filt2 is not used.

The OSC1 Mod should be WAVEFORM, not UNISON, and the parameters are not the same. For a saw waveform, param1 is the saw waveform value and param2 is the LFO1 mod depth on it. Unison uses detune and phase for those parameters, which have very different effects.

Your EG1(filt) and EG2(amp) values are wrong. You put the EG2(amp) values into EG1(filt), and you didn't set the EG2(amp) values at all. That has a big effect on how the patch responds to the keyboard. You also have the AMP waveshape type set to SubOSCSaw with a depth of 127. It should be off.

You're using the wrong effect types. That's a huge difference for a pad like this. You're using a flanger then a chorus. You should be using a chorus and a delay (changed from type Stereo to Cross). The MK used Ensemble, while the closest on the MKXL is Chorus. Ensemble is like multiple chorus FX, not multiple Flangers. The cross channel delay is important to do after the chorus.

So, without actually seeing your patch, it should be apparent that it would be a waste of everyone's time to be guessing at possibilities. I suggest that you go through all the parameters again, one by one, checking them off on paper, to ensure that you've translated them all with the corrected info. There's a few other wrong parameters, but I'll leave those for you to discover when you go through them again. They aren't as important as the one's I've described.

miketxo · Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Posts: 10

Ok,

I will try it today.

Thnkx!

miketxo · Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Posts: 10

I have tried again without success:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UI6FJOVC

I know that the effects are wrong, but i cant find the Ensemble effect (i think that is some chorus effect).

I also put virtual patch to Midi as i dont know how to disable.

What else must i do?

xmlguy · Platinum Member Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 3544

You're getting closer. You messed up the virtual patches. They were right in the first version. You disable a virtual patch by setting its intensity to 0. The original MK program used 4 virtual patches, and the were all important for the basic sound, except the one for the modwheel.

One disadvantage of the MKXL is that Korg cut out about half the effect types of the R3/Radias, which is strange and disappointing particularly because they cut some that the MK used, making it more difficult to translate patches. This is why I recommend the R3 instead of the MKXL.

But you can make do by using the Chorus effect on MFX1 and Delay on MFX2. The Chorus should be set to 100% Wet, Mod Depth 82. The Delay should be set to type Cross, Feedback 90, Delay Time BPM sync off, and L & R Delay times to 68 msec. Feel free to adjust the delay depth based on what you hear.

The important part of translating is to not just convert the values exactly, but to listen to the effect they have when you adjust them. It's a good opportunity to learn how each of the parameters really sounds, so that you can start to recognize these small details when you are listening to another patch and trying to copy or improve it. Most programs can be improved during the translation by taking full advantage of the synth engine.

On my R3, the program sounds like the Vangelis Blade Runner Strings pad. The VP300 MK patch video doesn't include an audio sample, as I recall. So what are you comparing the sound to? An original Roland VP330 Vocoder Plus patch?

miketxo · Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Posts: 10

Ok, i have tried again. I thnik the sound its closer, but for me has a lot of vibrato.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PLGL4YWH

Whats wrong?

miketxo · Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Posts: 10

Hi xmlguy,

Im comparing with the Youtube video and the VP300 that Vangelis uses in their recordings (i dont own an original Vp300).

What dou you think about the last patch i have post? If you prefer we can continue with private messages.

xmlguy · Platinum Member Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 3544

miketxo · Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Posts: 10

Those are the VP300 sounds im looking for:

http://www.youtube.com/user/mik300z#p/u/7/n7de3IWFMRQ
http://www.youtube.com/user/mik300z#p/u/3/1b6twrgtgKc
http://www.youtube.com/user/mik300z#p/u/42/9G56lgN28_4
http://www.youtube.com/user/mik300z#p/u/55/pnGcOTN-E4I

Do you think its posible with my XL?

CHeers,