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oasys76 Junior Member
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 98
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:33 pm Post subject: IPad & Kronos |
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Hi Dan and Jerry,
Is it possible that we can use the IPad as an remote for the Kronos?
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BasariStudios Approved Merchant
Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 6510 Location: NYC, USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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And how would we do thatr? _________________ http://www.basaristudios.com
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Kevin Nolan Approved Merchant
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 2524 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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ossible uses include:
- Editing the PC/MAC Kronos Editor display form the iPad while sitting at the Kronos
- Using iPad drum pads to play parts of a combi
- Using iPad-innovated controllers as new ways to play the Kronos
- Korg inspired iPad app to offer new types of control / editing / realtime performance (Karma could be revolutionised by iPad)
- use iMS20's two Kaoss Pads to control the Kronos
- Using iPad step sequencers / groove boxes as easy pattern/groove design interfaces and then importing into Stephen Kay's PC/MAC Karma Software (surely to come out for Kronos) to convert them into Generated Effects and loadable into the Kronos
- As a controller providing, say, faders for the Audio tracks while the Kronos is used for MIDI track faders.
...and then there's the likes of Air-Display for iPad which allows the iPad to act as a touch control PC / MAC monitor (and although it doesn't work too well right now), in the near future we could find that we're interacting with the likes of the MOD-7 and STR-1 synth engines through an iPad, essentially designing new sounds from a multitouch screen.
The possibilities are endless. |
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Crystalmsc Full Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 239 Location: Synth Garden
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Kevin Nolan wrote: | - Korg inspired iPad app to offer new types of control / editing / realtime performance (Karma could be revolutionised by iPad)
- use iMS20's two Kaoss Pads to control the Kronos
- Using iPad step sequencers / groove boxes as easy pattern/groove design interfaces and then importing into Stephen Kay's PC/MAC Karma Software (surely to come out for Kronos) to convert them into Generated Effects and loadable into the Kronos |
That would be awesome, even I wish that Korg would apply some of those to the Kronos touch screen. _________________ Korg: Wavedrum/Mini/Global, MS-20m, Volca Beats/Bass/Key, Trinity Pro, Karma + Moss Board, 01R/W, Wavestation/SR/EX, microKORG XL, Kaossilator Pro, iKaossilator, Kaoss Pad Quad, Monotribe, Monotron/duo/delay, DS-10, Korg Collection V2, Korg Gadget, microKEY25
Station: Ableton Live 10 Suite, Obscurium, Push 2, Ultranova
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Megakazbek Junior Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 92
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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It would be great to be able to edit Kronos from iPad via USB connection. From the videos I've seen, Kronos has not very good quality screen with poor viewing angles, iPad's screen would be much better (and it's also capacitive compared to resistive screen of Kronos, it just feels better when you touch it) |
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Melodialworks Music Platinum Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2003 Posts: 522
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Megakazbek wrote: | It would be great to be able to edit Kronos from iPad via USB connection. From the videos I've seen, Kronos has not very good quality screen with poor viewing angles, iPad's screen would be much better (and it's also capacitive compared to resistive screen of Kronos, it just feels better when you touch it) |
I don't think iPad or iPad 2 have USB connectors. |
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aron Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Jan 2011 Posts: 1548 Location: Hawaii
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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You could do this with camera connection kit and midi interface. But someone would have to write an editor. _________________ Korg Kronos, RD-88, Yamaha VL1, Deep Mind 6, Korg Kross, author of unrealBook for iPad. |
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dokido Full Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2011 Posts: 114
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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its all done
there is a dock for ipad with usb and midi
(check out videos on youtube from namm2011 with ipad)
there is also a keyboard with midi
just plug in and play, ´no problems (well...)
just check out polychord, konkreet labs and m-audio and
I think line6 has a usb converter also
and the missing link of course, wireless radiowaves...
but of course a special program just for kronos would be wonderful
like spectratonics done _________________ M50, M3, Radias, Kaossilator Pro, Kaosspad 3, EMX, Microkorg X and Native Instruments and Polar Ti Virus |
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rrricky rrrecordo Senior Member
Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 448
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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dokido wrote: | its all done...
...but of course a special program just for kronos would be wonderful
like spectratonics done |
... and Motif XF |
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sani Senior Member
Joined: 22 Jul 2002 Posts: 354 Location: Croatia
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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I'd rather have Korg to spend their energy and programming time for some other improvements on the keyboard instead of making what? An editor to edit the Kronos while sitting at the Kronos??? So, instead of operating the Kronos from its own screen one should hold an ipad connected to the Kronos and edit it?
Sorry, but that's IMHO a complete nonsense. How convenient would it be sitting at the Kronos while holding an ipad in your hands, than putting it away to play the Kronos and hear the results?
It would be better than if Korg would implement those functions directly into the Kronos so that all users can access those new functions. |
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EnjoyRC Platinum Member
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 746 Location: John 3:16
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed. The Kronos display is almost the size of an iPad anyway. And this is coming from an iPad user _________________
Korg (Kronos 88, RK-100S 2), Behringer DeepMind 12, Roland (GAIA, A-800-Pro) |
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ozy Guest
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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sani wrote: | I'd rather have Korg to spend their energy and programming time for some other improvements on the keyboard instead of |
Why? You are the usual curmudgeon and sceptic.
Imagine how nice: you are away from home and if somebody else turns on the Kronos, you get an email alert on your iPad!
And you can sinc it with payment alerts on your credit card.
or: you connect directly your kronos to Twitter, and each time you edit a program, the whole planet shares it!
or: you are on vacation, sample two drunkards in a mexican cafe harassing your fiancee, load it into your kronos, and reply them with a karmafied stuttering parody of their rancid insults. Ha! That's a snappy reto-to-to-to-tort!
or: no latency makes you uneasy because you are accustomed to VSTs? you can drive the Kronos from a ipad, so that you enjoy the delay when networks are busy!
or: or: you find the kronos' keyboard to be a little bit too similar to a real three-dimensional physical interface? No problem: download Fatar's 88-keys applet.
Finally:
and remember: if you want to make music with your ipad,
forget using software, buy a 50 pounds hardware synth with 88 weighted keys, THEN use just its software capabilities.
A nice shortcut indeed.
NEXT release from Korg, for ipad addicts:
an all-thumbs version of the 73 keyboard.
in the picture below: me and my wife interfacing a moog modular with a cordless phone and a "senior-people-optimized tv remote control"
its vintage sound can be more easily achieved of course by an ipad interfaced with a kronos thru a video camera.
But you lose the cable channels! |
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X-Trade Moderator
Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 6494 Location: Leeds, UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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KRONOS does already have a touchscreen - I don't really see the need for another.
some of the ideas offered here do sound cool though, but I don't see it happening personally. _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro |
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aron Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Jan 2011 Posts: 1548 Location: Hawaii
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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>I think line6 has a usb converter also
The Line6 interface is good, but the way the developers have to give info to Line6 is not. The camera connection kit is the way to go. _________________ Korg Kronos, RD-88, Yamaha VL1, Deep Mind 6, Korg Kross, author of unrealBook for iPad. |
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Kevin Nolan Approved Merchant
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 2524 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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sani wrote: | I'd rather have Korg to spend their energy and programming time for some other improvements on the keyboard instead of making what? An editor to edit the Kronos while sitting at the Kronos??? So, instead of operating the Kronos from its own screen one should hold an ipad connected to the Kronos and edit it?
Sorry, but that's IMHO a complete nonsense. How convenient would it be sitting at the Kronos while holding an ipad in your hands, than putting it away to play the Kronos and hear the results?
It would be better than if Korg would implement those functions directly into the Kronos so that all users can access those new functions. |
The difference is immense. The current Kronos screen is for selection only, NOT for altering values or interacting with the synth engines. For sound editing and realtime performance you need to use the realtime controllers - awesome for realtime performance but not for sound design – it’s still 90’s level interaction – touch the screen to select the object and use the fader/dial/numeric keypad to change the value. This is simply dreadful for sound design, especially for MOD-7 and STR-1 in particular. For example, designing new FM sounds on the SY77 & 99 is faster than on the Kronos. Yes the Kronos has a superior screen for selection and is more programmable, but MOD-7 is so complicated that currently virtually nobody who owns it programs it on the OASYS, and I do not expect that to change with Kronos. The learning curve is very steep; and the user interactivity is very complicated - a large part of the reason why very few will bother to delve into those synths in depth.
But - an iPad app could change all that. It could allow for multitouch selection - and FAR quicker and more flexible selection across multiple pages – and with multitouch graphic editing. That’s very, very different for complicated synth engines. So it could transform what is an incredible arduous process into something that is a joy.
This has already been demonstrated by Korg - I own the MS20 PC/Mac version, the OASYS with MS20EX and the iMS20 for the iPad. The iMS20 blows the others out of the water w.r.t editing. It is faster, more natural and furthermore - you can actually even repatch the modular patchbays live and during a performance - it's freaky. Play Kaoss Pads with some fingers on both hands while also repatching the synth with, say, the fourth finger on your right hand during an actual performance. This could also be done on the MOD-7 patch panel if accessible via an iPad. It's fundamentally better for editing, sound design and performance and in some ways goes even beyond real hardware capabilities; and indeed merges editing with live performance (and remember it can all be recorded as MIDI) in a way that the Kronos will not offer - and it's fast, instantaneous and very musical.
Believe me - an iPad interactive option to any of the existing digital offerings from workstations to the likes of NI/ Spectrasonics or even notation editing is a vastly superior and fundamentally new way of working. And we're only scratching the surface (excuse the pun) as to what this technology will offer in the coming years - mark my words.
This is not the time to be wearing you critical/skeptical cap (good attributes usually) and I accept that many are sick of hearing 'iPad this and iPad that' as if you're not 'in' unless you have an iPad - but listen from a quite slow adopter here - this stuff is jaw-dropping good. Korg are leading the way with huge style and flair here. This technology is maturing and being handed to us on a plate - you need to seriously check it out. While nothing is earmarked publically for release on iPad related to Kronos, the merger of these two technologies would be very, very worthwhile. I only hope Korg or some other 3rd party take it up - I'll by those apps in a heart beat.
Kevin. _________________ Kevin Nolan
KNECT
Email: knolan@knect.ie
WWW: www.knect.ie
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