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jimknopf
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg, could you explain your assumption of a different price margin?

If I see the US prices and the sharp market fight over there, compared to the sluggish European market where resellers hardly ever give each other a real price margin fight, I'd rather think the opposite. Add that European dealers have a habit of even hiding extra margins behind European taxes, I have big problems believing your assumption.

The European market as a whole hasd a higher BIP than the US, so the European economic power isn't behind.

I really think Korg's behaior towards European customers is lacking any accaptbale explanation I could follow, and I just regard it as completely unjustified, impertinent two class behavior.

Sorry to insist: I appreciate your kind words anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimknopf wrote:
Greg, could you explain your assumption of a different price margin?

If I see the US prices and the sharp market fight over there, compared to the sluggish European market where resellers hardly ever give each other a real price margin fight, I'd rather think the opposite. Add that European dealers have a habit of even hiding extra margins behind European taxes, I have big problems believing your assumption.

The European market as a whole hasd a higher BIP than the US, so the European economic power isn't behind.

I really think Korg's behaior towards European customers is lacking any accaptbale explanation I could follow, and I just regard it as completely unjustified, impertinent two class behavior.

Sorry to insist: I appreciate your kind words anyway.


sure, I know something about capitalism, having worked in the corporate
world for 30 years. I certainly have my sharp criticisms of it, as well. To give you one, many co's ( here in the US) are highly short sighted, 99% focused on immediate results.

We will never know exactly the figures and data of a Korg, Roland, Yamaha
in this niche called the workstation/synth marketplace.

we can make some reasoned estimates, I think. Profit margin and sales opportunity dictates behavior. Don't you agree ?

I suggested 30% here in the US, at retail. This is not far off.

Why don't you check your sources in your country for a profit estimate ?
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GregC wrote:
In the US, there is quite a bit of margin ( let's estimate 30%) to play with.

It's been a few years since I was in the industry, but this would definitely be toward the high end of gross profit for high-tech MI hardware. I highly doubt retailers will see this much profit with the Kronos or any pro synth, for that matter. Perhaps you meant for this to be an overestimate, however.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zeroesque wrote:
GregC wrote:
In the US, there is quite a bit of margin ( let's estimate 30%) to play with.

It's been a few years since I was in the industry, but this would definitely be toward the high end of gross profit for high-tech MI hardware. I highly doubt retailers will see this much profit with the Kronos or any pro synth, for that matter. Perhaps you meant for this to be an overestimate, however.


context is key.

the 30% figure is derived from the difference in MSRP and actual dealer cost.
for a hot new w/s, there is a strong effort to keep the margin high.

In a year or 2, ( or less), the street price will take over, and eventually drive the profit margin to a small %
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