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zahush76 Junior Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 98
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: Kronos: want it badly, but do i need one? |
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Hi everyone.
After trying to figure out if i want to replace my nord stage with a nord stage 2 or a korg kronos - i decided i'm going for the korg kronos, and already pre-ordered the 73 model.
But then i started thinking wether i really need it or not.
To explain:
The kronos sure sounds great.
The thing is, that if i'm being a little honest with myself - the fact of the matter is that since my baby was born, more than a year ago, i rarely gig anymore. About once in a couple of months. I mainly play at home, to myself, and make some music on my pc with cubase 5.
My current rig is a nord stage at the bottom, a poly evolver keyboard on top, and a pc full of goodies (such as komplete 7, omnisphere, trillian, alchemy and such).
So i'm asking myself what would the kronos give me in that context.
The answers i thought of were:
1) First of all - if my computer happens to crash or something, i always have something to play with.
2) I don't have ivory - and i think the acoustic pianos on the kronos are better (or at least as good as). Same goes for the ep's.
Other than that, when only thinking about a home studio context - all the other stuff (hd-1, mod-7, al-1, polysix, ms-20) have their alternatives on the pc, and even better. Komplete 7 alone gives me massive, absynth, reaktor, fm-8, kontakt-4 and the list goes on.
So what i'm asking - in your guys opinion - is this a good move? Or should i take that money and invest it in something that will add or improve the studio, like maybe a UAD card for better proccessing, or a moog slim phatty for adding different analog goodness that the pek and vst's don't give me?
What does the kronos give me, if i'm only using it in the studio? |
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Kevin Nolan Approved Merchant
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 2524 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Take it from an OASYS owner - the answer to your question is 'Yes' !
The question is - does your music deserve the best there is? If the answer to that is yes, then you need Kronos.
(and if the best instrument is good enough for Itzhak Perlman or Herbie Hancock, I'll buy into that approach too - (I need it far more that they do!!)).
Kevin. |
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Devnor Full Member
Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: 222
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Aren't you tired of softsynths? I sure am. When these new boards show up I'll probably never use SS again except for Superior drummer and Omnisphere. _________________ Fantom 7, Kronos 2, V Synth GT, Moog Voyager |
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zahush76 Junior Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Devnor wrote: | Aren't you tired of softsynths? I sure am. When these new boards show up I'll probably never use SS again except for Superior drummer and Omnisphere. |
I think we've reached to a point where computers are stronger (i have an intel i7 based pc, with 6gb of ram), and softsynths\samplers are not what they used to be.
But if you're tired of softsynths - why should al-1 or polysix be any different?
Anyway, i thought of another big plus for the kronos over my current setup: it's a far better midi controller than my nord stage, that's for sure. That aspect of the kronos could make my life easier with cubase and for tweaking some of the vst's.
But as for sound pallette - i'm asking myself what does it add to my computer other than superior acoustic pianos and ep's. |
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EnjoyRC Platinum Member
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 746 Location: John 3:16
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Devnor wrote: | ...except for Superior drummer and Omnisphere. |
Ain't that the truth! Omnisphere keeps getting better and better. Wonder if Eric Persing made any patches for the Jupiter-80 or Kronos. Or is he solely focused on his company, Spectrasonics. _________________
Korg (Kronos 88, RK-100S 2), Behringer DeepMind 12, Roland (GAIA, A-800-Pro) |
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Hedegaard Senior Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 498 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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zahush76 wrote: | Devnor wrote: | Aren't you tired of softsynths? I sure am. When these new boards show up I'll probably never use SS again except for Superior drummer and Omnisphere. |
I think we've reached to a point where computers are stronger (i have an intel i7 based pc, with 6gb of ram), and softsynths\samplers are not what they used to be.
But if you're tired of softsynths - why should al-1 or polysix be any different?
Anyway, i thought of another big plus for the kronos over my current setup: it's a far better midi controller than my nord stage, that's for sure. That aspect of the kronos could make my life easier with cubase and for tweaking some of the vst's.
But as for sound pallette - i'm asking myself what does it add to my computer other than superior acoustic pianos and ep's. |
The Kronos is not a "soft-synth".
Its dedicated hardware that happens to have software GUI, nothing more.
The software does not "create" the sound, rather it more or less "mixes" it together.
The on board DAC's of the Kronos are unparalleled compared to a PC based "soft synth". _________________ .....Still waiting for the allusive, missing EXf for Oasys..... |
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cello Platinum Member
Joined: 11 Jun 2009 Posts: 2152 Location: Glasgow, UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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As another OASYS user, I would say no contest against SS!
Completely different sound world - and a different way of working within it.
It also has Karma which you don't get with SS...
If you prefer SS and enjoy working with them, then stick with them. The Kronos is entirely different.
To answer your question about what do you get with the Kronos over SS, I'd answer a new soundworld, different controls beyond your imagination, Karma, permanent grin on your face when you play (O users have had this since 2005!) and, I guess, Korg Kronos Kudos _________________ Plugged in: Fantom 8, Jupiter-X, Jupiter 80, System-8, JD-XA, V-Synth GTv2, FA-06, SE-02, JU-06A, TR-09, VT-4, Go:Livecast, Rubix44, Shure SM7b, Push2, Ableton 11 Suite, Sibelius, KRK Rokit 5, |
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rrricky rrrecordo Senior Member
Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 448
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hedegaard wrote: | The Kronos is not a "soft-synth".
Its dedicated hardware that happens to have software GUI, nothing more.
The software does not "create" the sound, rather it more or less "mixes" it together.
The on board DAC's of the Kronos are unparalleled compared to a PC based "soft synth". |
So there's a real analog MS-20 in Kronos?
Btw, the DACs in my Yammie N12 are pretty sweet |
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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hedegaard wrote: |
The Kronos is not a "soft-synth".
Its dedicated hardware that happens to have software GUI, nothing more.
The software does not "create" the sound, rather it more or less "mixes" it together.
The on board DAC's of the Kronos are unparalleled compared to a PC based "soft synth". |
Your understanding of how the Kronos/OASYS works is 180 degrees different than mine. As I understand it, everything is generated in software: synthesis, FXs, mixing, GUI, etc.
I suspect if one would take the direct digital output from the software-based MS20 and the MS20 onboard the K/O, there would be no measurable difference.
Modern DACs are very good and it's getting harder and harder to be able to claim one vastly superior to another. Those days are gone. The specs provided in the Kronos brochure are very good but are bested by converters by Apogee, Avid, Benchmark, Weiss and others. That's not to say if you took the digital outs on the Kronos and connected it to one of these DACs you'd hear a huge difference. I doubt that you would. Again, modern DACs are very good overall.
Busch. |
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Sina172 Platinum Member
Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 1194
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rrricky rrrecordo Senior Member
Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 448
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Sina172 wrote: |
Btw, the DACs in my Yammie N12 are pretty sweet |
They BETTER be for $1500! That's a SH*T load of cash for a measley 12-Channel mixer that doesn't look any better than a Behringer or Mackie that happens to have Firewire interface!
Sina
SOS's measly review of the N12 is here
It's just one of several I/O devices I like to use that happen to sound great. I have two Yamaha 48 channel mixers linked if I need extra inputs. I haven't run into that scenario yet though |
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jmexio Junior Member
Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Posts: 70
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:24 am Post subject: |
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burningbusch wrote: | Hedegaard wrote: |
The Kronos is not a "soft-synth".
Its dedicated hardware that happens to have software GUI, nothing more.
The software does not "create" the sound, rather it more or less "mixes" it together.
The on board DAC's of the Kronos are unparalleled compared to a PC based "soft synth". |
Your understanding of how the Kronos/OASYS works is 180 degrees different than mine. As I understand it, everything is generated in software: synthesis, FXs, mixing, GUI, etc.
I suspect if one would take the direct digital output from the software-based MS20 and the MS20 onboard the K/O, there would be no measurable difference.
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If it's digital, it's all pretty much the same.
General purpose hardware running tailored software or specially built hardware, it's the same. You either program the chip, or you build it to perform the calculations that you need, it's a trivial difference, there always is a calculation or an algorithm behind (and it could be the same).
It is not software vs. hardware, it's algorithms vs. algorithms. It's just a matter of how good they are...
The differences lie in integration, stability, robustness, availability, interfacing, workflow, and a bunch of "unrelated" stuff... Those issues are the ones worth discussing.
And then you need some circuitry to actually move speakers with them, in either case... Hardware comes with the hardware, software doesn't.
But then you're not talking about digital anymore, as you are entering the analog domain...
Cheers,
Juan Miguel |
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zahush76 Junior Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 98
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:58 am Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure now, i've made the right move, pre-ordering the kronos, and that it'll have something unique to contribute to the studio.
The only thing i'm having second thoughts about is the model.
Again, taking in consideration i probably won't be gigging with it and only use it in my home studio - should i change the order from the 73 model to the 61?
It has it's pros and cons. I'm not talking about what you can or can't play with or without weighted keys. Assuming it's only for studio work - as a controller it'll have some cons. Like when you have samples with key switches for articulation changes. 61 keys might be too short (but then again, take less space). But on the other hand, a 73 key version will leave me about 500$ short...
Opinions? |
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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I can honestly say that if anyone qualifies for the doesn't need it's me! I havn't learned to play one yet and this will be my first real keyboard. I'm doing it anyway. I'm on the 61 and 88 list with sweetwater. I'll decide which I'll go with before they arrive but I would be willing to be it will be the 88. I only wish they made a 96 dual combo keybed! HAHAHAHA |
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Scott Platinum Member
Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 1015
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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I think one advantage of the Kronos over a combination of soft synths will be the ease of use from a dedicated and consistent interface that is also designed to allow all the components to easily work together. |
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