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jemkeys25 · Full Member Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Posts: 243

kurzweil keyboards have whats called the "0" or the "none" program that comes in really handy in live playing situations when controlling other keyboards, once the "0" program is selected the keyboard outputs no sound of its own, but is still a fully functioning midi cotroller.(another great simple idea from kurzweil), does or will the kronos have this feature?

thanks

synthskier · Joined: 25 Jan 2003 Posts: 24

You can create a program like this on any Korg keyboard that supports user samples (Kronos, M3, Triton, etc.). Just assign an unused RAM multisample number to a single-oscillator program.

burningbusch · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:27 am Post subject:

Korg's solution is a little more elegant. If you want an internal sound, set status to INT otherwise set it to EXT.

Busch.

billbaker · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:45 am Post subject:

Another great Kurzweil innovation... a new name for local off.

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DaveBoulden · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:37 am Post subject:

billbaker · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject:

Dave,

Sorry, but... "the keyboard outputs no sound of its own, but is still a fully functioning midi cotroller" sounds exactly like local off to me.

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I suppose there might be a more detailed description of what the Kurz's Zero Mode entails, but I can think of a number of "zero mode" combis myself that would take all of 5 minutes to write and which would do the no-internal-sound + midi control functions described in the initial post.

To me it sounds a lot like the beginnings of the "dedicated transpose button" debate.

I'll live without, thanks.

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DaveBoulden · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:21 pm Post subject:

I'm merely pointing out the reason that Local Off exists at all... it is there to allow a synth to be used as BOTH a controller keyboard AND a sound module at the same time, specifically to allow it to be used seamlessly with an external sequencer without the worry of double triggering notes when recording MIDI. That is most definitely NOT the same as Kurzweil's "0" program. The distinction is important.

EvilDragon · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject:

"Local: Off" is a global parameter on Korgs, correct? Well, "none" program is not a global parameter on Kurzweil, it is per zone in the Setup mode. Or just select program 0 in Program mode (that's 2 key presses) and there you are, controlling other keyboards and not playing from Kurzweil - beat that in two touchscreen clicks on Korg - that's not happening), that's where the distinction lies.

And yes, it's on the verge of "dedicated transpose buttons" debate. Which is really done much better on Kurzweil, whether y'all want to admit it or not.

billbaker · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject:

EvilDragon,

What I'm saying is if it was important to me I could build, save, modify, etc. "zero" as a template set-up. The fact that it's not there automatically (as it is on the Kurz) is less important than the ability to accomplish it if I want to.

I know how. It's not a work around. It's just a feature I can implement or not as I choose.

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My transpose button is in my head. Now just have to get the guitar player to do his homework about what key a capo on the 3rd fret puts him into. That's not an open E any more.

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EvilDragon · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject:

danatkorg · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject:

aron · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject:

>And yes, it's on the verge of "dedicated transpose buttons" debate.

Yes, very useful. To be fair, it's a new feature in the setups. Before you had to go to program, then set it, then go to setup mode. Now it's nicely in the main screen. It makes you a terrible transposer on a real piano though. Smile

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EvilDragon · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:33 pm Post subject:

aron · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject:

An interesting thing that happens when comparing two items is that people tend to focus on a few esoteric things that one product does - like, when this software records, you can append your own suffix or prefix, or this one has a really cool feature x that another one doesn't have.

What is interesting to me is that in all of the focus on those few features that one product has, less is spoken of how many things it does do right and better than the other product.

The Kronos is not out yet, so right now, any product is better, but I would bet that the firmware is pretty frozen right now feature-wise. So I guess in a general sense, we might as well list all of the cool things that we like from all of our keyboards, and then submit them to all the manufacturers. That way, some features might stick.

I have done this in the past with limited success! Smile

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danatkorg · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: