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jemkeys25 Full Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Posts: 243
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: how about a "0" or"none"prg. for kronos |
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kurzweil keyboards have whats called the "0" or the "none" program that comes in really handy in live playing situations when controlling other keyboards, once the "0" program is selected the keyboard outputs no sound of its own, but is still a fully functioning midi cotroller.(another great simple idea from kurzweil), does or will the kronos have this feature?
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synthskier
Joined: 25 Jan 2003 Posts: 24
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:14 am Post subject: |
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You can create a program like this on any Korg keyboard that supports user samples (Kronos, M3, Triton, etc.). Just assign an unused RAM multisample number to a single-oscillator program. |
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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Korg's solution is a little more elegant. If you want an internal sound, set status to INT otherwise set it to EXT.
Busch. |
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billbaker Platinum Member
Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 2206 Location: Vienna, Virginia, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Another great Kurzweil innovation... a new name for local off.
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DaveBoulden Senior Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Posts: 314 Location: Kent, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:37 am Post subject: |
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billbaker wrote: | Another great Kurzweil innovation... a new name for local off.
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That is incorrect, this scenario it is most definitely not the same as "local off". MIDI local off mode assumes the MIDI signal will be returned to the keyboard by the external equipment (usually a sequencer) to trigger the onboard sounds. In this example, there is no desire to trigger onboard sounds at all, quite the opposite. |
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billbaker Platinum Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Dave,
Sorry, but... "the keyboard outputs no sound of its own, but is still a fully functioning midi cotroller" sounds exactly like local off to me.
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I suppose there might be a more detailed description of what the Kurz's Zero Mode entails, but I can think of a number of "zero mode" combis myself that would take all of 5 minutes to write and which would do the no-internal-sound + midi control functions described in the initial post.
To me it sounds a lot like the beginnings of the "dedicated transpose button" debate.
I'll live without, thanks.
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DaveBoulden Senior Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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I'm merely pointing out the reason that Local Off exists at all... it is there to allow a synth to be used as BOTH a controller keyboard AND a sound module at the same time, specifically to allow it to be used seamlessly with an external sequencer without the worry of double triggering notes when recording MIDI. That is most definitely NOT the same as Kurzweil's "0" program. The distinction is important. |
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EvilDragon Platinum Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 1992 Location: Croatia
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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"Local: Off" is a global parameter on Korgs, correct? Well, "none" program is not a global parameter on Kurzweil, it is per zone in the Setup mode. Or just select program 0 in Program mode (that's 2 key presses) and there you are, controlling other keyboards and not playing from Kurzweil - beat that in two touchscreen clicks on Korg - that's not happening), that's where the distinction lies.
And yes, it's on the verge of "dedicated transpose buttons" debate. Which is really done much better on Kurzweil, whether y'all want to admit it or not. |
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billbaker Platinum Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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EvilDragon,
What I'm saying is if it was important to me I could build, save, modify, etc. "zero" as a template set-up. The fact that it's not there automatically (as it is on the Kurz) is less important than the ability to accomplish it if I want to.
I know how. It's not a work around. It's just a feature I can implement or not as I choose.
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My transpose button is in my head. Now just have to get the guitar player to do his homework about what key a capo on the 3rd fret puts him into. That's not an open E any more.
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EvilDragon Platinum Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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billbaker wrote: | My transpose button is in my head. |
Good. Not everyone is THAT lucky, you know. |
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danatkorg Product Manager, Korg R&D
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 4204 Location: California, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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EvilDragon wrote: | "Local: Off" is a global parameter on Korgs, correct? Well, "none" program is not a global parameter on Kurzweil, it is per zone in the Setup mode. Or just select program 0 in Program mode (that's 2 key presses) and there you are, controlling other keyboards and not playing from Kurzweil - beat that in two touchscreen clicks on Korg - that's not happening), that's where the distinction lies.
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Local Control is a standard MIDI parameter, and it's usually global. The PC3 supports it as well, according to its MIDI Implementation Chart.
I may not understand the point. It seems like the KRONOS and other Korg instruments have a number of different, easy ways to play external MIDI devices as opposed to an internal sounds. I do this all the time. What's the actual issue?
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aron Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Jan 2011 Posts: 1548 Location: Hawaii
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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>And yes, it's on the verge of "dedicated transpose buttons" debate.
Yes, very useful. To be fair, it's a new feature in the setups. Before you had to go to program, then set it, then go to setup mode. Now it's nicely in the main screen. It makes you a terrible transposer on a real piano though. _________________ Korg Kronos, RD-88, Yamaha VL1, Deep Mind 6, Korg Kross, author of unrealBook for iPad. |
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EvilDragon Platinum Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 1992 Location: Croatia
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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danatkorg wrote: | EvilDragon wrote: | "Local: Off" is a global parameter on Korgs, correct? Well, "none" program is not a global parameter on Kurzweil, it is per zone in the Setup mode. Or just select program 0 in Program mode (that's 2 key presses) and there you are, controlling other keyboards and not playing from Kurzweil - beat that in two touchscreen clicks on Korg - that's not happening), that's where the distinction lies.
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Local Control is a standard MIDI parameter, and it's usually global. The PC3 supports it as well, according to its MIDI Implementation Chart.
I may not understand the point. It seems like the KRONOS and other Korg instruments have a number of different, easy ways to play external MIDI devices as opposed to an internal sounds. I do this all the time. What's the actual issue?
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I meant - to disable playing internal sound on a Korg in Program, you have to go to Global->Local: off, or something to that extent, correct?
On Kurzweil, just press "0" and "Enter" to select program 0 "None", which doesn't play anything on the unit, but still sends MIDI outwards (we're still in Program mode). On Korg, you could make something like initialization patch that would be pretty much the same, I guess.
Naturally the whole point is moot in Setup/Combi mode, where you can precisely decide which zones/timbres will play or won't play over which MIDI channel, internal or external. |
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aron Platinum Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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An interesting thing that happens when comparing two items is that people tend to focus on a few esoteric things that one product does - like, when this software records, you can append your own suffix or prefix, or this one has a really cool feature x that another one doesn't have.
What is interesting to me is that in all of the focus on those few features that one product has, less is spoken of how many things it does do right and better than the other product.
The Kronos is not out yet, so right now, any product is better, but I would bet that the firmware is pretty frozen right now feature-wise. So I guess in a general sense, we might as well list all of the cool things that we like from all of our keyboards, and then submit them to all the manufacturers. That way, some features might stick.
I have done this in the past with limited success! _________________ Korg Kronos, RD-88, Yamaha VL1, Deep Mind 6, Korg Kross, author of unrealBook for iPad. |
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danatkorg Product Manager, Korg R&D
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 4204 Location: California, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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EvilDragon wrote: | danatkorg wrote: | EvilDragon wrote: | "Local: Off" is a global parameter on Korgs, correct? Well, "none" program is not a global parameter on Kurzweil, it is per zone in the Setup mode. Or just select program 0 in Program mode (that's 2 key presses) and there you are, controlling other keyboards and not playing from Kurzweil - beat that in two touchscreen clicks on Korg - that's not happening), that's where the distinction lies.
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Local Control is a standard MIDI parameter, and it's usually global. The PC3 supports it as well, according to its MIDI Implementation Chart.
I may not understand the point. It seems like the KRONOS and other Korg instruments have a number of different, easy ways to play external MIDI devices as opposed to an internal sounds. I do this all the time. What's the actual issue?
- Dan |
I meant - to disable playing internal sound on a Korg in Program, you have to go to Global->Local: off, or something to that extent, correct?
On Kurzweil, just press "0" and "Enter" to select program 0 "None", which doesn't play anything on the unit, but still sends MIDI outwards (we're still in Program mode). On Korg, you could make something like initialization patch that would be pretty much the same, I guess.
Naturally the whole point is moot in Setup/Combi mode, where you can precisely decide which zones/timbres will play or won't play over which MIDI channel, internal or external. |
On the OASYS and KRONOS, just press Global, touch the MIDI tab, and press the Local Control On check-box (three key presses/touches). If you've already been to the MIDI tab the last time you did something in Global mode, it will appear as soon as you press Global, so you'd accomplish the task in two key-presses, just like on your Kurzweil. Plus, the instrument will still respond to MIDI input, if that's desired (handy when working with an external DAW).
Or, if you're not sequencing and we're only talking about Program mode, just turn down the volume!
- Dan _________________ Dan Phillips
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Personal website: www.danphillips.com
For technical support, please contact your Korg Distributor: http://www.korg.co.jp/English/Distributors/
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