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jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

A hardware sequencer, as things are now, will have to be a compromise.
So I don't think anyone should expect things like Cubase, X1 or Logic on a hardware synth.

But a compromise, here I agree, could and should probably be a little more advanced now than the Oasys sequencer was. So while it is fine to have at least that one on board, it would be great to see it updated with some more editing power and at least at M3 level. I see no reason why this couldn't be reached with a future update, and it is ok to start with the present one for the time being from my view.

Developing the Kronos was a big effort by Korg, with many details to cover up to preset and drum pattern programming. So I think we should give them a break after publishing a stable OS version 1, before further development wishes.

jahrome · Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:59 am Post subject:

I guess its time to revisit this thread after using Kronos for the past week.

1. Track View/Piano roll/Drum Grid Matrix. #1 drawback of Kronos' sequencer. These tools are not available in Kronos. These are commonly found in hardware sequencers. Even the M3 has an excellent Track View/piano roll editor. The M3s Track View even has the "location bar" also known as "playhead marker" that I have discussed in other threads. Any mode that has graphic audio/MIDI editing should have a location bar so you know what part of a sample/MIDI sequencing is currently being auditioned. This is my biggest complaint everything else could be considered minor.

2. Editing while sequencer is playing/recording. I love this function in the latest MPCs. I can fully edit or enter in mode of an MPC without stopping the sequencer. This would be a welcomed addition to Kronos.

3. Metronome. An option to customize the rate at which the metronome triggers would be welcomed.

4. Cue lists. M3 and MPCs have this tool for quickly building a song. Cue lists are absent in the Kronos.

5.. Time Stretch. Have audio tracks automatically sync to tempo.

6. Note repeat. Last but not least...I am sure Kronos has this function buried deep in Karma that I haven't quite figured out.

....I think I won't be putting away my MPC
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ScoobyDoo555 · Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:36 am Post subject:

Thanks jahrome,

Even after reading the specs etc, I've never held out much hope for a good sequencer. And to be honest, I don't think it would be a feature I would use anyway (I've got Logic 9).......
It does seem bizarre that Korg have better sequencer available to them, yet choose to use the older/weaker system.
Perhaps this is further suggestion that Kronos, in some ways. is a "parts-bin" machine, utilising old Oasys bits just to use them up (bit harsh, but you know what I mean). It could also simply be down to budget - put in more advanced features, and the consumer price goes up - lots of people baulked at the price anyway!
With any luck Korg will realise that there is an opportunity to put it right and do so.

There may also be a technical reason why M3's sequencer can't be used....
I don't know this as I don't either: but are M3/Oasys sequence files even compatible? If not, there's a possible reason...
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Davidb · Platinum Member Joined: 21 Oct 2002 Posts: 1592

jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

A tool like the sequencer in the Kronos has to serve a certain purpose.
From my view this is NOT substituting a hardware sequencer.

BUT:
The relative value of the onboard sequencer still is very high from a practical perspective. It means that you can sit down recording directly in front of one instrument, which is covering a very big part of the sound palette you use, allowing you to get ideas into sonic context very fast, without any distraction of using other gear. Then you can complete the material later on your software sequencer.

Even for this limited(!) purpose the present (Oasys) sequencer is not more than a good start, and I think Jahrome is right that it should at least be updated to M3 level, to become really useful and appreciated by Kronos users. Especially his points 1 and 4 are simply essential for ANY sequencer concept from my view. Wthout a proper update this sequencer would stay neither fish nor flesh and be irgnored by most of the users in the long run.

I'm still quite confident that Korg is aware of the task, and that such an update will be just a matter of time, just like cracking the contra-productive 2Gb memory limitation.

Lou · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject:

Ric4001 · Joined: 16 Sep 2008 Posts: 10

The only thing stopping me from buying a Kronos are the issues highlighted in this thread. A workstation is my creative center and I want to be able to capture ideas and massage them while at the keyboard, which includes recording scratch audio tracks and adjusting the tempo of the song with the audio tracks following. That's how I've used my Roland G6, despite it's own sequencer limitations, and was really hoping the Kronos would be a step forward. I don't see DAWs as a substitute for this -- being able to do this basic editing while I'm at the keyboard creating the tracks is essential to the creative process.

Kontrol49 · Platinum Member Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1280