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ScoobyDoo555 · Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:51 am Post subject:

Yeh, I also have to wear glasses, but in all fairness, IF you can't read a screen when stood up with the display on the top tier of a keyboard stand, perhaps a change in lense is required!! Laughing

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sparkie · Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:55 am Post subject:

Check out this chart for viewing angles as it looks to me like somewhere between 30 and 45 degree is ideal.. the screen on the Kronos is almost 90 degree. Why cant Korg do research before permanently mounting the screen inside a case is beyond me? Both M3 and Oasys was adjustable and perfect!

http://www.ergomart.com/monitor_arm/arm_lift_matrix.htm

ScoobyDoo555 · Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:57 am Post subject:

My top tier is totally adjustable, so that, on top of the natural angle from the keyboard, will be fine.
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UKSimon · Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:33 pm Post subject:

The Italian designed KORG PA2X and new PA3X has the right idea. A motorized screen.

billbaker · Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject:

I assume it's Aaron's video... that you've said he has trouble finding things on the screen? And that's a deal killer?

Not for me. In editing sounds I've never had a "squint-free" keyboard. Hell, I even get squinty occasionally with a 17" display. And I rarely use the touchscreen for selecting sounds (admittedly because I've got zen number entry skills from payroll and accounting) 'cuz button pushes are quicker for me.

Grain o' salt here -- give him a break, he looks like the days work from yesterday's demo (Atlanta was it?) travel time, and an a bad night's sleep in the Nashville Holiday Inn have caught up with him. I dunno if I'd be able to see small print on a screen either.

By the light coming through the window it's not very late in the day - certainly early for a studio vampire ("it burns!!"). His playing is right on the money tho'. And his navigation skills seem to get better as he kills that vente esspresso.

The thing I noticed was that at one point (vid 3) he said (not a direct quote) "screw trying to find it on the screen menu, I'll just push buttons, cus that's just as fast or faster."

The screen may be a pain. But the K, it seems, is very much navigable by button pushes, and Aaron hasn't had a year on it to get facile with his number selection (which worked) tweaks (which he does very well) and in demoing scene changes in the Karma section as a realtime tool (most coherent and glitch free I've heard).

My take? You don't have to love the screen to use the Kronos.

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NavidSyed · Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:41 pm Post subject:

maybe in future Korg can include external display support, I would to see the KRONOS GUI on my 22 inch dell touch screen Shocked

maybe someone can modify the hardware to support external display Twisted Evil

McHale?

Devnor · Full Member Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: 222

I can see why they made that decision to recess the display into Kronos. First, it seemed to be working for all those happy Trinity & Triton owners but more importantly its a design/cost decision. Elevated or tilting displays cost more money not only in the parts themselves but the increased envelope dimensions of the board, complex packaging to protect the display in shipment and possibly a larger box which means fewer Kronos fit into a shipping container and the subsequent increased shipping costs which always get passed on to the customer.

Wouldnt hold your breath for new accessability options such as larger fonts. Buy some reading glasses or bi focals if you must. If you can use an ipad when its sitting on your desk you'll have no issues navigating Kronos display.
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Mystic38 · Senior Member Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 266

1. angled displays were in Fantom X, copied in Motif XS and both these managed to fit into boxes...even more delicate, hinged displays are in other boards and they too, ship in boxes... and all sell for less than Kronos $$$

2. the world and its expectations have moved a teeny bit since the Triton, and Korg should have looked long and hard at the user interface on the Roland Fantom G.. yes it has its issues like all synths, but THAT is the minimum definition of a great UI.. angled display, large fonts, easy menu driven operation, without leaning over or peering... a sheer joy to use.

3. repeat after me.. the Kronos is not an ipad.. and even if i use an ipad on a desk...guess what, the backrest is angled, and i have severe problems making accurate adjustments, hitting the correct link etc.. the IMS-20 only became fun once i programmed a template for the Novation remote.

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McHale · Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject:

Mystic38 · Senior Member Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 266

thanks for the tip!..but if reading is fundamental, then more so is thinking...lol

look, all jossing aside.. you totally miss my point.

IMO there is no correlation of any description between the kronos and an ipad, other than there both have touch screen displays.
The key differences are that angle of view and distance are completely different between a PMD and a workstation, yet it would appear that the screens and UI were developed as if the Kronos WAS an iPad.... and that does not bode well.

Mystic38 · Senior Member Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 266

you need a fatter bass player and get him to move to his right?...

NavidSyed · Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject:

billbaker · Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:15 pm Post subject:

McH - Need to move to the next level... cardboard should say "will play for beer".

Mystic38 - New bass player would have to be 7 feet tall with a 'fro to make enough shade to matter. I vote for a bikini-clad babe with a tambourine in one hand and a big ol' golf umbrella in the other.

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