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KorgKeymaster Junior Member
Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 52
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 10:18 pm Post subject: String Resonance |
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Does the Kronos have string resonance like the nord stage 2? I know the kronos has damper resonance. |
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Thoraldus Platinum Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2010 Posts: 2061 Location: Rocky Mountains - SE IDaho
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: String Resonance |
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KorgKeymaster wrote: | Does the Kronos have string resonance like the nord stage 2? I know the kronos has damper resonance. |
Yes, from what I have read and seen about the Kronos it does have sympathetic string resonance.
From Korg.Com Kronos specs ...
Premium Piano:
PCM:
EXs6 - SGX-1 German D Piano; EXs7 - SGX-1 Japanese C Piano
Piano Type:
32
Oscillator Control:
Damper Resonance, Damper Noise, Mechanical Noise, Note Release
Damper Resonance = Sympathetic String Resonance _________________ ”It’s easy to play any musical instrument: all you have to do is touch the right key at the right time and the instrument will play itself.”
Johann Sebastian Bach
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Rick Stirling - Retired Electrical Engineer - Erstwhile Photographer
Korg Kronos2, Casio MZ-X500, PA600, AKAI MPD32, M-Audio Oxygen 25, ZOOM H6, Cakewalk Sonar |
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KorgKeymaster Junior Member
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thoraldus, Thanks 4 the reply!
So this works even without the use of the damper pedal? |
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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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I doubt the Kronos supports string resonance (e.g. gently hold down a D triad, then loudly play a low D and the triad will quietly sound). I have not heard anything about it, nor was it mentioned in the SGX-1 video. I find it to be a subtle effect. Roland has had it on their RD series for sometime and I'll bet 95% of the owners are unaware of it. Roland never made a big deal about it where as Nord did. |
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Mystic38 Senior Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 266
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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that would be the VERY sympathetic string resonance
KorgKeymaster wrote: |
So this works even without the use of the damper pedal? |
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KorgKeymaster Junior Member
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah burningbusch.... I was searching for that in the sgx-1 vid. I'm sure it ads something to the playing but I think all the effects that the kronos offers will outweigh the Stage 2's piano samples.
On another note.... Any Upright's in the Kronos? |
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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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KorgKeymaster wrote: |
On another note.... Any Upright's in the Kronos? |
I don't know. In the EXs4 Vintage Keyboard library there are two pianos listed: Stw-1 A.Piano and Stw-2 A.Piano. Maybe they are variations of the same piano. I don't know why they would be listed in the Vintage Keyboard library along with EPs and clavs. Maybe they're uprights.
Busch. |
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EvilDragon Platinum Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 1992 Location: Croatia
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Damper resonance and sympathetic string resonance are two different things... As burningbusch says, I didn't hear true sympathetic resonance in any of the demos. And the ultimate test for this is as busch explained - silently hold a chord, then play the root of that chord several octaves above staccato - the chord should ring along with the staccato note. |
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X-Trade Moderator
Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 6494 Location: Leeds, UK
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Even the triton series has damper resonance I'd have to check how it performs but I'd thought it 'undamped' the currently active strings..
It is still a very subtle effect and I've hardly seen the point. _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro |
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Thoraldus Platinum Member
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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From the KRONOS Parameter Guide ...
The SGX‐1 Premium Piano EXi is designed to provide an optimal acoustic piano experience, combining world‐class sounds, subtle performance nuances, and a dedicated, easy‐to‐use interface. Features include:
• Full chromatic sampling, with every note sampled in stereo at up to 8 velocity levels, for natural and smooth response
• True damper resonance, also chromatically sampled, with multiple velocity layers
• No loops: sounds decay naturally
• High polyphony—up to 100 dual‐stereo voices, the equivalent of 400 mono voices
• Realistic performance nuances, including mechanical noise controlled by release velocity, damper pedal noise controlled by pedal velocity, and note release
I guess we need someone from KORG to define what "true damper resonance" means. _________________ ”It’s easy to play any musical instrument: all you have to do is touch the right key at the right time and the instrument will play itself.”
Johann Sebastian Bach
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Rick Stirling - Retired Electrical Engineer - Erstwhile Photographer
Korg Kronos2, Casio MZ-X500, PA600, AKAI MPD32, M-Audio Oxygen 25, ZOOM H6, Cakewalk Sonar |
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EvilDragon Platinum Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 1992 Location: Croatia
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Once again: damper resonance is NOT the same as string resonance. |
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Randelph Platinum Member
Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Posts: 604 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 3:04 am Post subject: |
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These kinds of effects are best heard with solo piano that is not too busy and has sweetly clangorous bass rumblings and held chords that take advantage of these resonating inharmonisations.
Moody classical and thoughtful new age pieces can naturally reach for this, and for sweeping improvisers it's one more color on the plucked piano soundboard pallet.
And with the Overb, and a superb sound system, and an open, expansive, listening space, it's pure loveliness... _________________ Keyboards: Kawai ES920 / Casio CT-X5000
Instruments: Keys / Alto Recorder and Melodica |
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Thoraldus Platinum Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2010 Posts: 2061 Location: Rocky Mountains - SE IDaho
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 3:40 am Post subject: |
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EvilDragon wrote: | Once again: damper resonance is NOT the same as string resonance. |
Would you like to share your knowledge with us and tell us why the 'True' Damper Resonance on the KORG Kronos is not "string resonance"? _________________ ”It’s easy to play any musical instrument: all you have to do is touch the right key at the right time and the instrument will play itself.”
Johann Sebastian Bach
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Rick Stirling - Retired Electrical Engineer - Erstwhile Photographer
Korg Kronos2, Casio MZ-X500, PA600, AKAI MPD32, M-Audio Oxygen 25, ZOOM H6, Cakewalk Sonar |
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Arp_
Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Thoraldus wrote: | Would you like to share your knowledge with us and tell us why the 'True' Damper Resonance on the KORG Kronos is not "string resonance"? |
Kronos has resonance only if you press damper pedal, and it is resonance of all strings at once.
Real piano also has resonance when damper pedal is not pressed, but only those strings resonate which are not damped at a particular moment. I.e. if you hold C3 key, then you release damper from strings on C3 note, and then those strings will resonate. For example, if you then play and quickly release (i.e. play it stacatto) C4 note, then C4 tone will still continue to sound even after you release C4 key, because it will be picked up by resonant strings on C3 note that you are holding. |
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X-Trade Moderator
Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 6494 Location: Leeds, UK
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: |
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When you press any key, it is un-damped. So why should Korg's 'damper resonance' not include notes which are held down other than with the damper pedal?
It all depends on the mechanics of the actual programming, which I think either you'll have to get an answer from Korg, or you'll have to figure it out for yourself by turning the noise element up in the SGX-1 engine. _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro |
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