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Melodialworks Music
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[quote="Sharp"] | ozy wrote: |
Her name is “Seven of Nine” in Star Trek Voyager. 
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Formerly, I believe, her name was "Seven of Nine, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix Zero-One", commonly shortened to "Seven of Nine". |
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Sina172
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danatkorg
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| Sina172 wrote: | | danatkorg wrote: | | Sina172 wrote: | | danatkorg wrote: | | Sina172 wrote: | In KRONOS you have almost 7,000 Drum Samples to work with! 
That INCLUDES the Standard ROM, EXs1 ROM Expansion 1 in STEREO (they actually took out the mono sample set), |
Note that the KRONOS ROM and EXs1 samples are identical to those of the OASYS. |
That's interesting because when I read the KRONOS Voice Name List at the German Korg site, I didn't see the EXs1 Mono Samples like I did with the OASYS Voice Name List. |
The difference is just in the way the documentation is structured. If you look again, you'll see that they are identical in content.
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Actually, I only see 000 - 1482 Drum Multisamples in the KRONOS VNL and that's listed under EXS1- ROM Expansion.
But in the OASYS VNL, I see 000-646 listed under EXS1- Stereo in addition to EXs1 - Mono right above it which is identical to the KRONOS VNL.
Sina |
Look at what those stereo samples are, and compare to the "mono" samples. Look for -L and -R after the "mono" sample names; you'll find 647 stereo pairs.
- Dan
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Gargamel314
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 2:51 am Post subject: |
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So i was looking at the new Voice Name list that was posted - noticed a few things that looked new. Is EXs5 completely new, or is it rehashed from previous OASYS samples? I noticed a new timpani sample set in there. Also, same question for EXs1... did see some new-looking string samples in there too.
any comments on this?
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danatkorg
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| Gargamel314 wrote: | So i was looking at the new Voice Name list that was posted - noticed a few things that looked new. Is EXs5 completely new, or is it rehashed from previous OASYS samples? I noticed a new timpani sample set in there. Also, same question for EXs1... did see some new-looking string samples in there too.
any comments on this? |
ROM and EXs 1-3 are the same as the OASYS.
EXs 4-9 are all new.
Hope this helps,
Dan
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Gargamel314
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 3:23 am Post subject: |
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no that's great... i can at least be stoked about the new timpani  The original ones are great, but new is new!
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sparkie
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Sina .. what about the display?? Was it hard to read? Was the touch screen icons too small ?? |
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Sina172
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Penumbra
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:45 am Post subject: Re: I played the KRONOS Today... |
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| Sina172 wrote: | At the West LA Music KRONOS Party Event.
Aaron was presenting today and I arrived a good hour early to really get a feel for it. 61-Note Model was what he was using.
As a result this is MY perspective as an OASYS owner/user and lover. 
And there I was thinking that it could NOT sound any better than the OASYS. Little did I know how dead wrong I was.
I am utterly beyond amazed. It sounds BETTER than the OASYS in every aspect.
I had a chance to really go through some of the Programs and Combis. There's a LOT more of them and my God are they incredible! They sound different, though. Zero G Pianoforte for example sounds completely different than the one in the OASYS. It sounds more open, more natural, and it's been almost completely revoiced and reprogrammed to the KRONOS sound set.
Every Program and Combi I played had a depth, natural musicality to it that I can't even begin to explain to any of you, even OASYS owners. Go play one and you'll see/hear what I mean.
Drum Track is amazing. Period. This ALONE is worth the price tag, IMO. It's SO flexible. Choose your Pattern (User or Preset), select your Drum Kit and (this is the kicker), you can actually modify the NOTE RANGE of the Drum Track. So say you want Just a Kick and a Snare. Press and hold Enter, hit the note you want and it's been modified. Do that for the Top and Bottom notes, and you've modified the range. And on top of that, you can also transpose the Drum Track.
You can create your own Drum Tracks and they are NOT located in Global Mode, but actually in SEQ Mode. And this is where you go to the RPPR Page and start creating. WOW!
There's a LOT more to this as well:
In an HD-1 or an EXi Program, there is a dedicated Drum Track tab. When you select this, you have all the options I mentioned above, BUT! There's even MORE!
You can modify the IFX for each individual Drum section: Kick, Snare, Hi-Hat, Percussion, Misc. By default, this is grayed out because the bus is set to the Main L/R Channels. If you select the DKit box, however, ALL 12 IFX's are now available at your fingertips to assign the drum sections to. It's just INSANE!
It gets better: In SEQ Mode, say you have drums on Track 1 that you have spent HOURS working on. Fill-ins have been recorded in at certain measures, and you have different variations throughout the track.
If you go to the RPPR Page and then to the Pattern Edit tab. You can actually convert that track into a Drum Track! Just specify the measure range, rename it and your done!
It is SO MUCH MORE than what you see on the surface. I mean, WOW!.
Moving along to Set List: This is AMAZING! I was able to go through 8 Programs and Combis and as I held down the sustain pedal, going into each Program or Combi, the previous Program or Combi was still going. Let go of the sustain pedal, and the new Program or Combi starts playing. It's everything they say it is. It is NOT exaggerated. I was really blown away by this. And it's not just the sustain pedal that it retains, either. Effects, like long delay effects or reverbs from the previous sound are still going after you select the next Program or Combi.
The Drums that were in the OASYS have been resampled and COMPLETELY redone on the KRONOS. They are NOT the same! KRONOS Drums are some of THE BEST I have EVER heard in a keyboard! The new Ambient Drums mode in HD-1 has to be experienced. The amount of control you have over every single drum part is astounding. The sky is literally the limit here. Electronic drums for hip-hop, trance, electro, exceeded my expectations beyond belief! I was FLOORED by the punch, depth and clarity these drums had.
SGX-1 is THE BEST Piano I have EVER heard. It beats the living CRAP out of my Roland V-Pianos! It's EXACTLY what I was expecting it to be and then some! It has to be heard to be believed. The depth, the realism, the fact that you have the most important parameters in front of you on the main page really amazed me.
V-Piano is WAY over-hyped for what it is and had I NOT gotten mine last year, I would NOT even consider one. $6800 for something that's built- in to KRONOS and is FAR better is just ridiculous. Roland is literally f**Ked, IMO. And I am NOT saying that lightly.
The V-Piano is a rip-off now. KRONOS not only sounds BETTER, but it's MUCH simpler and it's all integrated. Amazing.
There was a huge Q&A Section at the end of the demo and the DAW plugin came up.
EVERYTHING KRONOS does in the box, the DAW editor does. ALL Synth Engines are there. Every single one. Just like how you can call up a Program or Combi in KRONOS, you can do the SAME thing on the editor.
Heck, put the KRONOS off to the side once you have the USB connected, grab your mouse and call up an instrument track in Logic, Cubase or DP, and KRONOS is there on your desktop!
Call up 16 Instrument tracks for that matter, and create a Combi. IN LOGIC!
You can do the SAME THING in SEQ Mode and thanks to multitrack MIDI Recording capability, record your sequence into Logic, Cubase or DP in ONE take! WOW! I can't tell you HOW MANY YEARS I have been asking for something like this, when I started using Cubase SX back when I had just one Triton Classic Pro and a Yamaha PSR-8000.
This is really a dream come true for me and I can't WAIT to put the KRONOS in the studio!
DAW Integration is literally taken to the next level with the KRONOS.
Yes, KRONOS is missing a few things the OASYS had, but they are so MINISCULE in comparison to the overall feature set of KRONOS, that if you sold your OASYS to get a KRONOS, you probably wouldn't miss it ONE BIT.
It's lighter, slimmer, FAR more powerful under the hood than you can ever imagine, and anyone who say that a Motif or Kurzweil is better is just shooting themselves in the foot.
You would be completely and utterly STUPID and downright f***ing IGNORANT to buy a Motif XF or Kurzweil over a KRONOS.
It's EVERYTHING the OASYS was, and they have addressed SO many things from the OASYS (the occasional freezing, the software updating process, DAW-Integration via USB MIDI, Set List) in KRONOS, that I now fully understand why Korg released it in a different keyboard.
They HAD to. The labor involved with the OASYS was FAR too costly, the P4 Processor had its time and place, but with the Atom Dual Core CPU, it's SO much more powerful that freezes are literally NON-existent in KRONOS.
It IS an OASYS II but it's MUCH more simplified. It's FAR more reliable, it sounds BETTER than the OASYS ever did (that STILL baffles me by the way!), and it's HALF THE PRICE!
Those of you that say it costs too much, this is NOT the keyboard for you for the simple fact that you simply don't even know what you are getting.
This is basically an F10 550i BMW vs an F01 750Li. 750Li is $140,000 maxed out with all options and packages, including M-Sport and Individual Composition. 550i is $75,000 loaded. It's missing a few elements, but the feel of the 7-Series is obvious the second you sit in one and drive it. And the 550i WILL be faster because it's a much lighter car.
OASYS (750Li) vs. KRONOS (550i) is the EXACT SAME Scenario.
So do some serious research on the OASYS from the Blue Bomber Project to the Trinity, to the PCI Card, to the OASYS Keyboard released in 2005 and now KRONOS.
There's PLENTY of info online and if your STILL thinking it's too much money, don't even bother. Go buy a Fantom-G and get ripped off.
Sina |
Another hormonal useless review by Sina, the only one who have left that someone would steal his Oasys, a 32 Kgs monster, without that anyone see something, and he let us believe that, as we are all idiots. FFS, are you still there? You compare a Fantom-G (a 4 years old wokstation in real) with a successor of the Oasys not even out? For real? Two machines with different technology and different pros and cons? How can you compare fairly a Fantom-G with a Kronos, don't you know that the Fantom-G is more that 4 years old and that the Oasys costed more than the double the price of the Fantom, and again, that the Kronos is an Oasys on steroid even if it has a lower price? I'm fed up with your useless hormonal comments, just shut up or find a woman if you have hormonal issue, but please save us from your bullshit. You're an idiot. Now what do you have? 5 T-Extreme, 4 Oasys and 20 SV-1? Idiot, nothing to add anymore. |
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ozy
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Lougheed wrote: | | Sharp wrote: | | Her name is “Seven of Nine” in Star Trek Voyager. |
Formerly, I believe, her name was "Seven of Nine, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix Zero-One", commonly shortened to "Seven of Nine". |
so there's a veiled reference to the 01/w as well, and to the Matrix. Boy, was that one heck of a Nerdish Pop Reference! 
Whatever: she can walk on me any time.
Now, back to the serious issues:
this morning I tried to measure BY EAR the relative LFO frequencies on two different modules of my A100. Know what? I couldn't! What's wrong with me? How could my ability for appreciating 1/100 fluctuations in 2500hz oscillations go lost? Kryptonite? |
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Sharp
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| ozy wrote: | | Lougheed wrote: | | Sharp wrote: | | Her name is “Seven of Nine” in Star Trek Voyager. |
Formerly, I believe, her name was "Seven of Nine, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix Zero-One", commonly shortened to "Seven of Nine". |
so there's a veiled reference to the 01/w as well, and to the Matrix. Boy, was that one heck of a Nerdish Pop Reference!
Whatever: she can walk on me any time.
Now, back to the serious issues:
this morning I tried to measure BY EAR the relative LFO frequencies on two different modules of my A100. Know what? I couldn't! What's wrong with me? How could my ability for appreciating 1/100 fluctuations in 2500hz oscillations go lost? Kryptonite? |
You must be listening to too much heavy metal Ozy.
Sina can hear the difference between a 44100Hz signal and a 44.1Khz signal. 
Regards
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Has anyone who got one already posted anything good on youtube yet? i'd be interested in hearing users' own performances, not just the Korg official stuff. how easy is it to make it sound great? |
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Sharp
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ozy
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Sharp wrote: | | can hear the difference between a 44100Hz signal and a 44.1Khz signal. |
oh... er... ...ahem...
ok, ok, I know it, wait, wait, I know it...
the answer is: two square meters, correct?
I was always good at Rhythmetics |
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