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chini Senior Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2013 Posts: 284 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:41 am Post subject: Muted sounds in combie eating polyphony !!! |
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Un-muting any sounds within a combie reveals tailed midi notes (with longer decaying sounds). Although this may be a useful anomaly in some situations it is in fact detrimental to poloyphony count as when they are muted the midi is still being transmitted to these parts which proves that its just the volume to those intitially muted parts that is muted! For example this is particularly irritating when playing a piano/string combie patch when wanting to bring in strings to a piano part half way through a song. You have to be careful while just playing the piano not to use the sustain pedal for too long as the polyphony can choke as the notes are still being sent to the string part when its muted! Also in this case one would naturally want the strings to come in on the down note after it has been un-muted rather than suddenly hearing the decaying notes that have been sent while the string part was still muted. There should be an option per part to choose wether one wants the midi to be transmitting to these muted parts in the background or not. _________________ www.henryframpton.com
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daddy
Joined: 08 Mar 2012 Posts: 40
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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:53 am Post subject: |
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MOSS emulation
possibility of loading Yamaha DX11 and Yamaha v50 syx files |
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FabioRhodes
Joined: 24 Jul 2013 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:03 am Post subject: MIDI channels for Combi INT Zones |
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COMBI mode:
- playing internal sounds with local keyboard on each channel (no more by global channel), according to zone/track setup
SONG mode:
- please FIX THIS: zone keyboard limits don't work while controlling external MIDI instruments
- allow to cancel the [TRACK SELECT] selection and play on all keyboard zones/track according to zones setup
The fact is I think that SEQ mode and COMBI mode should have same MIDI behaviour, the only difference should be that on SEQ mode tracks are played ALSO with recorded data |
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:51 am Post subject: |
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I know this is just a wishlist, but there are good reasons why they are different. Also, you should set the keyzones on the tone generator side. This is more powerful as you can actually set it individually from the Kronos (where you also technically do it after midi, before the tone generation).
So I don't mean to sound negative, but I don't think this is going to change because for many people's purposes, this is already the better way. |
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FabioRhodes
Joined: 24 Jul 2013 Posts: 9
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FabioRhodes
Joined: 24 Jul 2013 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Also, you should set the keyzones on the tone generator side. |
I want to control an external instrument that only can set the channel for its each part. So, the feature is necessary.
Also, if I have multiple external instruments, I don't want to set the same note range as on the Kronos (same job multiple times), but only MIDI channels. |
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:35 am Post subject: |
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So, your other instrument is severely limited. |
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FabioRhodes
Joined: 24 Jul 2013 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Also Kronos is. It's a big limit to have different keyb zones only to be played on the same channel in Seq mode.
It should be like Combi mode.
In Combi mode i can control external instruments as I want. |
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:49 am Post subject: |
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No because the opposite could easily be argued; wanting to play a sound over a fixed ranged on the Kronos, but over the entire board through an external module. If key ranges followed the Kronos, this would not be possible or you would need to sacrifice an extra track.
Zone setup is not part of the midi data generation, it's part of the sound generator. You filter the incoming notes from the keyboard. You should do the same on any other sound generator you might want to use. For me and many others, this makes perfect sense. I'm not saying I'm happy that you can't get your wish, just that it doesn't seem likely because I don't think Korg programmers perceive this as a limitation per se.
If you're interested, perhaps get a small midi processor such as this;
http://mutable-instruments.net/midipal. It allows you to set keyzones and change channels etc, precisely for gear that doesn't have that option.
BTW perhaps it is an option for you to resample your external synths? You could avoid the issue altogether by using the sounds from within Kronos, which does let you set keyranges etc. |
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FabioRhodes
Joined: 24 Jul 2013 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Zones are related to the keyboard, not to the sound generator, so they are part of MIDI data generation!
And still, the feature is KEYBOARD ZONES.
I should be able to set the range of the keyboard zones on Kronos without change anything on the other instruments/racks. This is possible without problems in Combi mode.
Now, why SEQ mode has to be different? It's limited, it's a fact. And has no sense. |
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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I am honestly not trying to frustrate you, I'm just saying a change is unlikely. Have you tried using Karma to set external zones? Not sure if that would work but definitely worth a try. |
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FabioRhodes
Joined: 24 Jul 2013 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Using Karma? I don't know how... Anyway it could be a workaround waiting for a fix... if possible... |
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:38 am Post subject: |
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You can use KARMA to duplicate midi notes to a second track, and it has its own in/out keyboard zones. There are a few posts on here on using KARMA to duplicate the damper pedal on a second midi channel. The same should go for notes. I think. I've never actually needed to try it. |
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genehart Full Member
Joined: 30 Dec 2012 Posts: 208
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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my wish is
piano resonance effects emulation , acting same to nord pianos and toontrack ezkeys
i love to play sgx ,
but with that technology it would be absolutely ultimate )))
also 24bit sf2 support and
impulse reverberation with posiibility to import impulses _________________ KronosX 88, RME HDSP 9652, Sennheiser HD600, Cubase AI6
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MRedZac Senior Member
Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 374 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Ability to switch forward and backward in setlist mode by midi cc in order to become able to switch the setlist slots with the Behringer FCB1010 without having the need to use the relais channels for footswitch connectors... _________________ Keys+Sound Sources: Kronos 61, X2, X3, i3, i30, SG pro X, nanoPAD2, Yamaha MU100R, 2x CME UF70, Behringer FCB-1010, Yamaha FC-7
Sequencer: Steinberg Cubase Pro 8 & Nuendo 6.5
Outboard FX from Lexcion, Sony and Yamaha
Digital Mixers only from Yamaha
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