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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:10 pm    Post subject: Sustain pedal use to control Rotary Speed Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure the sustain pedal can be used to control rotary speed within the CX3. Is there a way to do this so that the CX3 doesn't sustain?
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Expression pedal?
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm trying to minimize the number of pedals needed. If I have a sustain pedal attached for piano sounds, I'd like to be able to use it temporarily for things like controlling the rotary speed. I don't need the sustain pedal when playing organ parts so why not use it for something useful.

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And moving the Joystick Up is not an option ?
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, moving the joystick is an option but you have to take one hand off the keys and that might not be what you want to happen, musically speaking.

For example, VB3, EVB3 and B4II all have options for using the sustain pedal and they do not cause the organ to sustain. The B3 clone in Garageband for iPad defaults to the sustain pedal, not the mod wheel. It's not uncommon.

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe just about every other clone can do this (except VK8 module) so I'm sure it will be a function. I personally always use the sustain for leslie to limit number of pedals as well (do this with my nord stage and kurz pc3). It would not affect both sustain and leslie at the same time.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By reading the manual, you can choose any AMS modulation source to turn on/off the rotary speaker, the fast/slow mode etc. Damper is one of the modulation source.

See page 238 of Kronos Parameter Guide for more details
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but then the CX3 will sustain. There are three pedal inputs, it's most common to use the Switch pedal input to do this.... It doesn't need to be a complete damper pedal there, you can use a simpler, flat On/Off pedal like the PS-1 to do this. I do that, and often Program the switch to also turn on/off effects for other sounds, where I DO want sustain control.

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use an expression pedal to control Leslie speed but I've found I'm really only turning it on and off the hard way. Instead, on the Kronos I'm going to use the pedal switch to engage it on/off if I can figure out how to have that same pedal switch also control portamento (Korg REALLY needs some work on their pedal switch assignments).


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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

McHale:

You can do that - I just tried it. Set the Switch to Portamento (CC#65) and then set the Rotary speed AMS to use that. the CX3 doesn't support portamento in its engine so there's no conflicts.

Easy.

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jerrythek wrote:
McHale:

You can do that - I just tried it. Set the Switch to Portamento (CC#65) and then set the Rotary speed AMS to use that. the CX3 doesn't support portamento in its engine so there's no conflicts.

Easy.

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I don't know WHY I never tried that. AWESOME.

Time to reprogram all my patches!

As always, thanks Jerry.

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait a bit McHale, this work on an OASYS or KRONOS because the organs are using the CX3 engine. On a TRITON or M3 since they all use the PCM synthesis it won't work this way.

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jerrythek wrote:
Wait a bit McHale, this work on an OASYS or KRONOS because the organs are using the CX3 engine. On a TRITON or M3 since they all use the PCM synthesis it won't work this way.

Jerry


Sad

Kinda what I thought...

I always wondered why you couldn't set the Pedal Switch to act as a "Pedal Switch" and set THAT to control portamento instead of having to set the Pedal Switch to Portamento through global settings.

On a related note though, is there a way to actually *USE* Portamento with the CX3 engine? Kinda like using the break, but sliding into a chord. I know a real organ doesn't work that way but...
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jerrythek wrote:
Wait a bit McHale, this work on an OASYS or KRONOS because the organs are using the CX3 engine. On a TRITON or M3 since they all use the PCM synthesis it won't work this way.

Jerry


Except surely if portamento time in the patch is set to zero then the Porta. Sw functionality will have no effect on that patch, right?
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In past Korg workstations (not O or CX3) I've always used the Footswitch and set rotary fast/slow to "FS" or some such AMS. No need to do the portamento thing.

I also do not like using the stick or another hand controller.
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