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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: Sustain pedal use to control Rotary Speed |
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I'm pretty sure the sustain pedal can be used to control rotary speed within the CX3. Is there a way to do this so that the CX3 doesn't sustain? |
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dangerousdave Full Member
Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 129 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Expression pedal? |
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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I'm trying to minimize the number of pedals needed. If I have a sustain pedal attached for piano sounds, I'd like to be able to use it temporarily for things like controlling the rotary speed. I don't need the sustain pedal when playing organ parts so why not use it for something useful.
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Teh Mick Full Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2007 Posts: 131 Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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And moving the Joystick Up is not an option ? _________________ Korg Kronos 61
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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, moving the joystick is an option but you have to take one hand off the keys and that might not be what you want to happen, musically speaking.
For example, VB3, EVB3 and B4II all have options for using the sustain pedal and they do not cause the organ to sustain. The B3 clone in Garageband for iPad defaults to the sustain pedal, not the mod wheel. It's not uncommon.
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bwinbery
Joined: 06 May 2011 Posts: 2 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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I believe just about every other clone can do this (except VK8 module) so I'm sure it will be a function. I personally always use the sustain for leslie to limit number of pedals as well (do this with my nord stage and kurz pc3). It would not affect both sustain and leslie at the same time. |
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Teh Mick Full Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2007 Posts: 131 Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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By reading the manual, you can choose any AMS modulation source to turn on/off the rotary speaker, the fast/slow mode etc. Damper is one of the modulation source.
See page 238 of Kronos Parameter Guide for more details _________________ Korg Kronos 61
Korg Karma
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jerrythek Platinum Member
Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Posts: 2931
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but then the CX3 will sustain. There are three pedal inputs, it's most common to use the Switch pedal input to do this.... It doesn't need to be a complete damper pedal there, you can use a simpler, flat On/Off pedal like the PS-1 to do this. I do that, and often Program the switch to also turn on/off effects for other sounds, where I DO want sustain control.
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McHale Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 2487 Location: B.F.E.
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 12:01 am Post subject: |
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I use an expression pedal to control Leslie speed but I've found I'm really only turning it on and off the hard way. Instead, on the Kronos I'm going to use the pedal switch to engage it on/off if I can figure out how to have that same pedal switch also control portamento (Korg REALLY needs some work on their pedal switch assignments).
-Mc _________________ Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha). |
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jerrythek Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 1:52 am Post subject: |
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McHale:
You can do that - I just tried it. Set the Switch to Portamento (CC#65) and then set the Rotary speed AMS to use that. the CX3 doesn't support portamento in its engine so there's no conflicts.
Easy.
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McHale Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 2487 Location: B.F.E.
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 2:18 am Post subject: |
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jerrythek wrote: | McHale:
You can do that - I just tried it. Set the Switch to Portamento (CC#65) and then set the Rotary speed AMS to use that. the CX3 doesn't support portamento in its engine so there's no conflicts.
Easy.
Jerry |
I don't know WHY I never tried that. AWESOME.
Time to reprogram all my patches!
As always, thanks Jerry.
-Mc _________________ Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha). |
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jerrythek Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Wait a bit McHale, this work on an OASYS or KRONOS because the organs are using the CX3 engine. On a TRITON or M3 since they all use the PCM synthesis it won't work this way.
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McHale Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 2487 Location: B.F.E.
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 2:39 am Post subject: |
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jerrythek wrote: | Wait a bit McHale, this work on an OASYS or KRONOS because the organs are using the CX3 engine. On a TRITON or M3 since they all use the PCM synthesis it won't work this way.
Jerry |
Kinda what I thought...
I always wondered why you couldn't set the Pedal Switch to act as a "Pedal Switch" and set THAT to control portamento instead of having to set the Pedal Switch to Portamento through global settings.
On a related note though, is there a way to actually *USE* Portamento with the CX3 engine? Kinda like using the break, but sliding into a chord. I know a real organ doesn't work that way but... _________________ Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha). |
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X-Trade Moderator
Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 6494 Location: Leeds, UK
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: |
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jerrythek wrote: | Wait a bit McHale, this work on an OASYS or KRONOS because the organs are using the CX3 engine. On a TRITON or M3 since they all use the PCM synthesis it won't work this way.
Jerry |
Except surely if portamento time in the patch is set to zero then the Porta. Sw functionality will have no effect on that patch, right? _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro |
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Zeroesque Senior Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 451 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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In past Korg workstations (not O or CX3) I've always used the Footswitch and set rotary fast/slow to "FS" or some such AMS. No need to do the portamento thing.
I also do not like using the stick or another hand controller. _________________ Kronos 61, Kronos2-88, Hammond B3, Baldwin SD-10 |
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