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synthguy Platinum Member
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 661
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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ScoobyDoo555 wrote: | I try to keep stuff, as carefully selected, it can add to your sound palette. |
Same here. I've regretted just about every sale I've made. Still, it's looking dicey in my economic future since I want to finally have that audiophile stereo with Godly speakers, my Leslie restored, a music PC and a well rounded mike locker. More or less in that order.
But I could stand to let a few things go for the sake of a Godly workstation like this one. _________________ PRAY FOR THIS PLANET!! |
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EXer Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 558 Location: France
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Clean-up sale, Kronos in? |
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orpheus2006 wrote: | I could sell my M3-88, EXB-Radias, Motif Rack with two plugin boards (AN, DR), Novation A-Station, RME Multiface, lots of cables ...
... to fund a Kronos 88.
Would I miss anything? What should I keep and why? |
I would keep the Radias for its MMT and real time tweaking knobs, and the Motif Rack for its typical Yamaha sound character. |
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Kontrol49 Platinum Member
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1280
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Never dump everything for a Quick ditch attempt to cure a desire for a new unit...chances are you end up regretting selling some things and in the long run you buy them back and it'll cost you more,than if you simply kept hold of them...
Sometimes its not always financially possible to do things like that,but I try and keep hold of things and buy what I want,then if I haven't used or abused what i was going to sell anyway,then put them away and if i still haven't missed them for a couple of months then I will sell it on
I've sold things on a whim in order to buy the latest gadget and ended up missing it and then gone and bought another one,I will never sell anything in my setup now as everything has a place or use even if its for one particular sound or workflow,each device even if they overlap in certain areas gives me a nice set of sounds to work with,and I've chosen the machines I enjoy working with that add a good plethora of functions as opposed to them being the latest devices,would rather have a collection of different stuff than one device that has all the bells and whistles.
plus pretty much everything I have now was bought from new with the exception of a few bits(Z1/MC808/02R/03D) so I would be foolish to sell them to fund something else,especially if I felt the urge to buy anything again and given I look after them I wouldn't get another in the same condition.. _________________ --Korg Nautilus~~Korg Modwave--Korg SV-1-Korg Wavestate-- |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Kontrol49 wrote: | Never dump everything for a Quick ditch attempt to cure a desire for a new unit...chances are you end up regretting selling some things and in the long run you buy them back and it'll cost you more,than if you simply kept hold of them...
Sometimes its not always financially possible to do things like that,but I try and keep hold of things and buy what I want,then if I haven't used or abused what i was going to sell anyway,then put them away and if i still haven't missed them for a couple of months then I will sell it on
I've sold things on a whim in order to buy the latest gadget and ended up missing it and then gone and bought another one,I will never sell anything in my setup now as everything has a place or use even if its for one particular sound or workflow,plus pretty much everything I have now was bought from new with the exception of a few bits so I would be foolish to sell them to fund something else,especially if I felt the urge to buy anything again and also given I look after them I wouldn't get another in the same condition.. |
I have never regretted selling anything in advance.
With the Kronos, the sound character, depth and capability far exceeds
all other romplers today. I also suspect there will be a lot of used romplers
for sale throughout the year- that usually drives down used prices.
I am looking forward to many months of focusing on the Kronos. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
Achieve your musical dreams
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Kontrol49 Platinum Member
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose its an individual choice,for me there was always a certain sound I made on a certain synth or something it did that although it may have not been used all the time,Once I sold it on,you kind of realised why you liked it in the first place.
Kind of the "you don't know what you had till its gone"scenario,but I've long got past that way of thinking,mainly because if I buy something,and I'm able to replicate what it does or sounds like on another synth convincingly,then usually I will let it go.
Guess it depends on whats in your setup...for me I kind of feel some of the the synths I have are specialist models,and perhaps some of them unique in that I won't get them again so easily in the secondhand market,particuarly the Andromeda,and also because the prices of some of the synths that are still availlable new like the V synth GT or the Phatty and Voyager have skyrocketed which has also made the secondhand values of those synths go up,
Happy to let Rompler type synths go,as I've offloaded several in the last 18 months or so,I had 4 tritons at one time,but pretty much between the Extreme and Oasys that ground is covered so I no longer needed them,sold the other 3 and kept the Extreme,if I had an all Rompler type setup then I think could offload most of it in favour of a Kronos if i hadn't got the Oasys.
Even with the AL-1 and MS20/POLYSIX that Oasys has I couldn't sell the Z1 or any of the Analog machines thats in the setup For me its more about the device itself and its interface than how close the AL-1 etc can duplicate those tones plus its much more fun to use those synths than edit the sounds on the Screen of the Oasys
Given the dip in Secondhand Hardware prices now,you'll never get a decent price for anything anyway.bargains to be had galore on ebay Like Akai S series samplers!!!virtually being given away..
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed a massive influx of secondhand Korg hardware on ebay,I guess this is down to everyone wanting to sell as much as they can in order to fund a Kronos!!! _________________ --Korg Nautilus~~Korg Modwave--Korg SV-1-Korg Wavestate-- |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Kontrol49 wrote: | I suppose its an individual choice,for me there was always a certain sound I made on a certain synth or something it did that although it may have not been used all the time,Once I sold it on,you kind of realised why you liked it in the first place.
Kind of the "you don't know what you had till its gone"scenario,but I've long got past that way of thinking,mainly because if I buy something,and I'm able to replicate what it does or sounds like on another synth convincingly,then usually I will let it go.
Guess it depends on whats in your setup...for me I kind of feel some of the the synths I have are specialist models,and perhaps some of them unique in that I won't get them again so easily in the secondhand market,particuarly the Andromeda,and also because the prices of some of the synths that are still availlable new like the V synth GT or the Phatty and Voyager have skyrocketed which has also made the secondhand values go up,
Happy to let Rompler type synths go,as I've offloaded several in the last 18 months or so,I had 4 tritons at one time,but pretty much between the Extreme and Oasys that ground is covered so I no longer needed them,sold the other 3 and kept the Extreme,if I had an all Rompler type setup then I think could offload most of it in favour of a Kronos if i hadn't got the Oasys.
Even with the AL-1 and MS20/POLYSIX that Oasys has I couldn't sell the Z1 or any of the Analog machines thats in the setup.
Given the dip in Secondhand Hardware prices now,you'll never get a decent price for anything anyway.bargains to be had galore on ebay esepcially Akai S series samplers!!!virtually being given away
is it just me or has anyone else noticed a massive influx of secondhand Korg hardware on ebay,I guess this is down to everyone wanting to sell as much as they can in order to fund a Kronos!!! |
exactly, these romplers are not ' collectibles '. I really liked my Extreme
and M3M but I am quite sure they would not get much use once I got a Kronos.
They have some unique sounds- there is a post from Sharp
about converting them.
Even so, it wasn't practical for me to keep a rompler for 3 or 4 patches. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
Achieve your musical dreams
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Kontrol49 Platinum Member
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1280
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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GregC wrote: | I really liked my Extreme |
+1
Its why I kept that particular model,Even with the Oasys,I have managed to port over some sounds using the similar type PCM and settings,but for me the Extreme is one of the few Romplers that are up there and worth keeping hold of,the Triton was my main sound and workshorse for a number of years both Live and studio work,Hence why I had a classic keyboard,2 racks and the Extreme models.
I hoped the Oasys could replace it totally,and it has helped me sell on at least 6 rompler synths since I bought it but there is something about the Extreme that I Couldn't let it go,it kind of compliments the Oasys. _________________ --Korg Nautilus~~Korg Modwave--Korg SV-1-Korg Wavestate-- |
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JPWC Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Oct 2010 Posts: 638 Location: Bay Area, CA
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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I recommend you sell your soul and no more. You won't miss you soul once it's gone. But the music equipment will haunt you forever.
I sold my Motif XS6 for a new Motif XF6, I still miss the XS and it's only been a few weeks.
When you are performing live, there are no redundancies, duplicates become backups. More keys gives you more options.
While I am confident that the Kronos could replace any of the other workstations, it can will only be able to replace 1 or 2 at a time. Having 2 or more keybeds active at any one point sure makes for great options when performing live or even at home play by one's self. I keep about 13 keyboards within reach in my home setup. _________________ Kronos-6, Krome, M3, Radias, KingKorg, microKorg, KP-2, KP-3, KO-1, KO-1 PRO, Karma, microX, monotron, monotribe, PadCONTROL, Wavedrum Mini, Volca Keys, Beats, Bass, Sample, monotron Duo & Delay, microArranger, M1, Wavestation, Volca Sample, Keys, Beats & Bass, MS-20
JD-XA, JD-Xi, Aira (system 1, TB3, TR8, MX-1), Prophet 12, Mopho X4, Jupiter-80, FA-06, D50, CS1x, CZ101, DX200, AN200, analogFOUR, MachineDrum, MonoMachine, Motif XF6, Virus Snow, Nord Lead 2X, OP-1, MFOS, Tenori-on, QY100, QY70, meeblip se, miniBrute, microBrute, Bass Station 2 |
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Kontrol49 Platinum Member
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1280
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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JPWC wrote: | I keep about 13 keyboards within reach in my home setup. |
Good to know I'm not the only one in here who's Insane....
_________________ --Korg Nautilus~~Korg Modwave--Korg SV-1-Korg Wavestate-- |
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ScoobyDoo555 Platinum Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 840 Location: Herefordshire, UK
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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LOL - with my new acquisition (and NOT including Kronos), I've got 5 to hand. Also got an A80 around here somewhere (!) _________________ Yamaha SY77 & KX88, SSL Nucleus, Korg Kronos 61, Wavestation A/D, Access Virus B, Roland XP30, DeepMind12D, System 1m, V-Synth XT, Focusrite Red16Line, Unitor 8, Akai S3000 XL, Alesis Quadraverb+, Focal Shape Twins, Full fat iMac, Logic Pro X, ProTools 2021, loadsa plugins.
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donjuancarlos Full Member
Joined: 21 May 2011 Posts: 105
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I remember selling the 01/W to get the Triton. I had the 01/W orchestral expansion pack and thought Triton's orchestral combis would be better--boy was I wrong. Here's hoping that Kronos is better. |
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Kontrol49 Platinum Member
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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I wish all the Synth manufacturers came together and made a Workstation that was essentially a shell and you could pick from a library all the Engines from any manufacturer that have ever been made in various Synths and handpick your own Engines for that machine....
I guess the closest to it was the Openlabs ideology With using your favourite software,there would be nothing more gratifying that say a Hardware workstation that contained 01W engine coupled with a D50 engine or V synth and Wavestation and M1 or say a JD800 or JP8000 or Nord lead or Andromeda or Voyager in one unit or you could chop and change the engines in the Library to suit your own needs and the ability to run them together in combi patches etc for some awesome timbres,under the control of an MPC4000 style sequencer that also could be used in an external monitor application with a mouse if you so wish like the MV8800 you could build it up from your own favourite synths all originally replicated in true form...Dream on dude!!!!! Thats when I would sell everything for one machine of that magnitude!
There have been so many great Patches in all the synths I've had over the years just wish there was a way to pool them all together in one device,and sampling for me when I had those synths never really did the patches justice,especially some of the evolving pads and stuff like on the Wavestation and 01W
I was kind of Hoping that Korg were going to do this with the Oasys,in that future plugins may have come in the form of the M1/01W/Trinity/Triton Engines for Oasys,I've owned and loved all those machines and do miss certain sounds on them but have enough synths but don't want a massive collection of synths simply for a few sounds on each hence why I sold many of them on
One of the things that annoys me with Korg is there closed synthesis approach in terms of porting sounds across,Trinity to Triton could have had compatibility or at least allow loading of the PCG files even if the PCM data was different and Triton to Oasys isn't miles away neither in parameter terms,Certainly Kronos allows Oasys files but sods law when I don't have any need to buy the Kronos!!!
its one of the reasons I kind of bought into the open architecture of the Oasys seeing as they were including there Own Polysix and MS20 devices,would have been nice if the M1 had seen light of day inside the Oasys not just a few PCM samples or at least the Exi on par with the Legacy releases...Aah well can't have everything _________________ --Korg Nautilus~~Korg Modwave--Korg SV-1-Korg Wavestate-- |
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kimu Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 1133 Location: Italy,Milan
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Clean-up sale, Kronos in? |
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orpheus2006 wrote: | I could sell my M3-88, EXB-Radias, Motif Rack with two plugin boards (AN, DR), Novation A-Station, RME Multiface, lots of cables ...
... to fund a Kronos 88.
Would I miss anything? What should I keep and why? |
before doing it, i would try the kronos for several hours.....
then probably M3 with EXB Radias can be easily replaced by kronos (if you do not mind losing drum-pad, advanced sequencer and i have not checked which program/combi you lose from M3 to Kronos)
Motif Rack may add a different sonic nuance than kronos especially for acoustic sounds, but maybe kronos samples are finally as good as Motif.
novation is an analog, very cheap but real analog i would keep it. |
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ozy Guest
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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novation a-station is NOT real analogue
a-station is a VA: it was an offspring of the nova/supernova series. Definitely digital.
"bass station" was a nice unexpensive REAL analogue. |
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synthguy Platinum Member
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 661
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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JPWC wrote: | Having 2 or more keybeds active at any one point sure makes for great options when performing live or even at home play by one's self. I keep about 13 keyboards within reach in my home setup. |
I would have 13 keyboards available at once, but I only have stands and room for 6 right now. But I fully agree. I'm fussing around at the moment trying to compose on the M3 in the living room - the PC3 is being a pain - and am wishing I had several more synths on hand with patches I already programmed. At least different sounds. The M3/Radias is so versatile that I'm dragging my feet to reorganize things.
Why the living room? Unfortunately I don't have any speakers in the "studio" yet, and have found them to be invaluable in programming. Headphones just aren't doing right for me.
I'm counting on The K to provide the Godly sound power I need, the wealth of patches, and instant inspiration a new instrument normally delivers. And if anything can, the Kronos can. Could it replace my whole synth arsenal? Theoretically, but it's not going to. _________________ PRAY FOR THIS PLANET!! |
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