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Bald Eagle Platinum Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2009 Posts: 2278 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:44 am Post subject: Vector Joystick - Good or Bad? |
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What does everyone think of the vector joystick? When I auditioned the Kronos it felt cheap and flimsy to me. It also felt very loose giving the feeling that precise adjustment would be difficult.
But someone in another thread commented that this was the way vector joysticks are supposed to be.
So maybe this is a subjective thing like the preference of weighted vs semi-weighted keys or is it really just a piece of crap? Also, it would be great if someone who has played both the OASYS and the Kronos could post a comparison of the vector joysticks. |
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Zeroesque Senior Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 451 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: Seems fine to me |
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There absolutely no slop and doesn't seem to have a any dead spot in the middle. It's also a metal stick. This is better than my Yamaha SY-35 ever was. I don't see the problem. _________________ Kronos 61, Kronos2-88, Hammond B3, Baldwin SD-10 |
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Lou Platinum Member
Joined: 06 Sep 2002 Posts: 1305 Location: DE. USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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The VJ is not suppose to be stiff nor have a spring to it.
What could possibly be so bad about it.
How bad is the paint job? Are you unhappy because the Kronos didn't come with casters installed?
I don't understand all the complaints (From so many people) on a brand new beautiful machine..
Take a second look and listen to what you have in front of you.. No offense and I'm not being derogatory. _________________ Lou |
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Bald Eagle Platinum Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2009 Posts: 2278 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Lou wrote: | The VJ is not suppose to be stiff nor have a spring to it.
What could possibly be so bad about it. |
Like I said, it feels cheap but I don't know. Thats why I'm asking. If that's the way it's supposed to be then it's all good.
Lou wrote: | How bad is the paint job? Are you unhappy because the Kronos didn't come with casters installed?
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Well... for that money I do expect a perfect paint job as well as everything else. But I can wait until the V2 update for the casters. |
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amosdef Junior Member
Joined: 17 May 2011 Posts: 79 Location: New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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I've never had a keyboard with a vector joystick, but I like the feel of the one on the Kronos. It feels solid to the hand. A bit loose, but that seems to be how it's supposed to be. It stays in place when you let go of it. _________________ Amos
www.amishoutlaws.com |
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Gargamel314 Platinum Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2007 Posts: 1147 Location: Carneys Point, NJ
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:41 am Post subject: |
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I remember feeling the same way about the Wavestation EX's joystick. I had never seen a vector joystick before and i thought it seemed weird. But it is supposed to be like that. no one's complained about the functionality of the joystick anyway, and i'd prefer it to the M3's touch-screen X-Y controller. _________________ Korg Kronos-61, 01/Wfd, SONAR Pro |
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drchris Full Member
Joined: 21 May 2011 Posts: 178 Location: Memphis, TN
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Help me understand the VJ a but better. What is it's main purpose? How do you envision using it? Much like an XY pad?
Thanks!
Chris |
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X-Trade Moderator
Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 6494 Location: Leeds, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:50 am Post subject: |
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drchris wrote: | Help me understand the VJ a but better. What is it's main purpose? How do you envision using it? Much like an XY pad? |
Yes.
Besides using it to control parameters in a two-dimensional fashion, vector joysticks are used for Vector Synthesis too - as in, having a sound on each corner and blending between them.
The M3 had similar functionality to the KRONOS & OASYS vector joystick, but used the screen as an X/Y pad instead. _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro |
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ScoobyDoo555 Platinum Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 840 Location: Herefordshire, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:30 am Post subject: |
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The Vector joystick is designed as a "mixer" control between up to 4 sources.
I've had the pleasure of using Vector joysticks since the old Prophet VS, and later Yamaha machines, right up to my Wavestation A/D (and the keyboard) - they're all meant to be "floppy" in order to get a smooth flow between sources (think of mixer fader - MOST aren't resistive in any way)....
On the several videos I've now seen where the joystick has been flopped from side to side, this seems perfectly normal operation to me.
And as such is not an issue at all.
Dan _________________ Yamaha SY77 & KX88, SSL Nucleus, Korg Kronos 61, Wavestation A/D, Access Virus B, Roland XP30, DeepMind12D, System 1m, V-Synth XT, Focusrite Red16Line, Unitor 8, Akai S3000 XL, Alesis Quadraverb+, Focal Shape Twins, Full fat iMac, Logic Pro X, ProTools 2021, loadsa plugins.
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SoulBe Senior Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2008 Posts: 499 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:59 am Post subject: |
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drchris wrote: | Help me understand the VJ a but better. What is it's main purpose? How do you envision using it? Much like an XY pad?
Thanks!
Chris |
Hi,
I often use the vector stick with my Oasys. It is a powerful tool for dramatic or smooth sound changes but I mostly use it for live performances to fade beetween sounds and give them more life. F.e. when performing with brass sounds I add a growl on the the right side, a cup mute on left side a fall sound on down position etc. You just have to program the volume fading so you are able to switch beetween the different techniques. To reset it after performing you simple tab on the reset controls button and move the stick a little.
best regards
SoulBe
P.S: maybe you should ask Akos Janca who tested the Kronos and owns a Oasys how the VJ is built in the Kronos. in Oasys it is very stable |
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cynkh Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Jun 2011 Posts: 526 Location: Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:44 am Post subject: |
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I personally love the feel of the VJ, coming from a Yamaha background (SY-35/TG-33). It's used in a lot of factory patches not only in HD-1 programs but pretty much all of the engines.
My favorite is using VL-1: setting up a multi filter with an LPF on A and an HPF on B and morphing between the 2 with the X-axis of the VJ and controlling cutoff of both (linked) with the Y-axis. It's amazingly versatile and just plain fun! _________________ - cynkh -
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Kronos 61, microKORG, MoPho, Rogue, Aira System-1, Aira TB-3, Aira TR-8, MC-202, TB-303, (KMS-30), Juno 6, Alpha-Juno 1 (PG-300), SH-201, MC-09, Virus TI Snow, K2000, MPC-1000, X-Station 25, MultiMix-16FW, Ableton Live Push
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Logic Pro 9, Korg Legacy Collection, Komplete 8, vCollection 3, Sylenth1, microTonic |
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