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StephenKay
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 Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: STS and Sustain Pedal--not working consistently |
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| EnjoyRC wrote: | | StephenKay wrote: | Thanks for your report. I've been looking into this today, and the reason this happens is that the KARMA GE in use by that program (even though it is turned off at the time) uses CC#64 Damper pedal as part of the CC control patterns, and it is incorrectly sending out a damper off. I've just fixed this, and it will be in an upcoming release of the OS. I'm sorry we did not catch this earlier.
In general, SST should work across all programs. So in this case, it's related to which KARMA GE is selected. Not so many GEs use CC64 damper as one of the Control Patterns, so you won't encounter this often, and in any case, it has been fixed. |
I'm finding this more and more frequent as I audition Combi's. Some combi's that utilize Karma will hang when going to the next patch. I have to depress the sustain pedal and release it for the notes to stop. |
Well, that would clearly be a different situation - the opposite of the one described here. So if you can pass along an example, it will be looked into.
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EnjoyRC
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Combi INT-A 060
Combi INT-A 062
Combi INT-A 066
etc...
They seem to play on unexpectedly when switching to another patch.
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StephenKay
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| EnjoyRC wrote: | Combi INT-A 060
Combi INT-A 062
Combi INT-A 066
etc...
They seem to play on unexpectedly when switching to another patch. |
I'm not at the Kronos right now, I will check this later - but please be more specific. When changing from which combi to exactly which combi, and when doing what? KARMA is just running, you are doing nothing on the keyboard? Or, you are playing the keyboard, using the damper pedal down at the time of switching? What OS does your Kronos have? Thanks.
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Shakil
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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On Fantom-G... patch remain works only for two sounds at a time in Live Mode. You can switch from live set 1 to live set 2 without hickup, but live set 2 to live set 3 or back to live set 1 will produce hickup, when notes are held.
Let's say you play a piano sound, hold the notes and switch to strings. That switch will be smooth, now if you switched back to the same piano or some other sound, while holding strings and piano, sound will cut off. Same on KRONOS.
In Studio mode or Song mode, when you just play on different parts, sound is not cut off, on Fantom-G and KRONOS.
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Rosen Sound
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Heres the problem im having right now....
currently i have one combi made from scratch and one program made from scratch...
the combi does include the program sound mentioned.
basically, when im in set list mode, i have the combi (trecherous split) then i have the program which is just strings.
so it goes
trecherous
strings
trecherous
strings
for some reason, when i get to that first string sound then go to trecherous. the note doesnt cut out like on the triton, but it will not sustain.......
any insight would be appreciated. i am NOT using any karma or editing like that at all. just basic setups here...
edit: this also happens when not in setlist mode and just switching between the two mode to mode...
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jg::
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | for some reason, when i get to that first string sound then go to trecherous. the note doesnt cut out like on the triton, but it will not sustain....... |
Which "note"? The first note you played in Trecherous before you went to Strings? Or a note you played in Strings before switching to Trecherous the 2nd time? And, when you say it doesn't sustain, are you holding the note on the keyboard, or using the damper pedal? At what point does the note cut out? In other words, even more detail might help... 
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Rosen Sound
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| jg:: wrote: | | Quote: | | for some reason, when i get to that first string sound then go to trecherous. the note doesnt cut out like on the triton, but it will not sustain....... |
Which "note"? The first note you played in Trecherous before you went to Strings? Or a note you played in Strings before switching to Trecherous the 2nd time? And, when you say it doesn't sustain, are you holding the note on the keyboard, or using the damper pedal? At what point does the note cut out? In other words, even more detail might help...
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it doesnt SST when i go from strings to trecherous. i am playing a cpmpletely different phrase and then i HOLD DOWN THE NOTE... NO SUSTAIN PEDAL. and sometimes (most of the time) it will nto sst. however it does give me the note release and effect.
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Rosen Sound
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:46 am Post subject: |
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heres a low quality audio example. its bad cause i want it to load fast for you.
the strings are NOT suppost to cut out when i hit my pedal...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3657402/SST%20problem.mp3
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:10 am Post subject: |
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other update:
seems it does this whether combi>program>combi or combi>combi>combi.
I guess im not playing the middle patch long enough for SST to fully work huh?
sorry for so many bumps but i want this issue to be resolved once and for all... could the hold time make a difference?
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Rosen Sound
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:06 am Post subject: |
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another weird observation....
This ONLY happens when im playing chords on the first sound, then single notes on the second.....
can SOMEONE please tell me if this is normal?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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You mentioned that this is a custom Program and a Combi referencing the custom Program. So I think you'll need to share your data with someone from Korg/Stephen for them to be able to figure this out. That's the only way to really understand this...
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Rosen Sound
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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heres for all kronos owners to test this out
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3657402/Patches/Kronos/backup.PCG
backup everything you have and load this whole pcg (does not include my samples btw)
go to setlist 003 called treacherous (its the cover song my band does called treacherous gods by ensiferum)
go to slot seven. keep in mind i am using a pedal to step through these, if you dont have a pedal plug your sustain pedail into the switch jack and go to global>controllers and change it to go program up.
not select slot number 7 and play a c minor (c D# g) about three times fast..... then step and go to the next sound called strings now play a short one handed melody that goes (D# d c a# c ) while holdingdown the note (without the sustain pedal) press the switch pedal. if it cuts off for you then youve experienced what im experiencing and i expect this to be debugged in an OS update.... it wont do it always.... it usually happens when i press the pedal almost immediately after pressing a note.
let me know if you find anything
some notes:
Changing the midi filter in the treacherous combi does not change anything
it does this for ALL set list slots.
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StephenKay
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| robbinhood wrote: | | not select slot number 7 and play a c minor (c D# g) about three times fast..... then step and go to the next sound called strings now play a short one handed melody that goes (D# d c a# c ) while holdingdown the note (without the sustain pedal) press the switch pedal. if it cuts off for you then youve experienced what im experiencing and i expect this to be debugged in an OS update.... it wont do it always.... it usually happens when i press the pedal almost immediately after pressing a note. |
I'm happy to report that I just fixed this issue; it was related to notes flowing "thru" KARMA, even though you weren't using it. Coming to a new OS soon. 
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Rosen Sound
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| StephenKay wrote: |
I'm happy to report that I just fixed this issue; it was related to notes flowing "thru" KARMA, even though you weren't using it. Coming to a new OS soon. |
So youre telling me im not alone? and that its just a bug? and i found it!
woooo!
THIS is what i call good customer support! thanks so much stephen and Dan you are both the s**t!
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Rosen Sound
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:06 am Post subject: |
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So i just wanna ask....
IS there a workaround? Or is this really a bug bug? please lemme know!
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