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aron
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 Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:38 pm Post subject: No... it cannot be possible |
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When I first asked about the Kronos, I specifically asked if a mute would not eat polyphony in a combi:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=369406&highlight=#369406
| Quote: | Can you assign it so it always works this way? I'd like to have 8 sounds ready to go at any time and use the mute/unmute buttons to bring in the sounds and when muted, save polyphony. In addition, I'd like to mix in the programs using the sliders.
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I was told:
| Quote: | | Yes, you can do these things, and we have a dedicated control surface mode that instantly assigns the switches and sliders to mute and volume. |
So why is that when I mute, I see that I am using 21 notes of polyphony for 1 piano note?
All channels are muted and only the first channel is playing - however other muted channels are assigned to the global channel.
Please tell me that I have something set incorrectly. A muted channel should not eat polyphony. If this is the case, then this is terrible.
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EvilDragon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, it could be that one piano note is triggering a lot of different samples. Since SGX-1 is rated to go up to 400 voices, I would say that might be the case here. |
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robinkle
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Or it could be that the software counts muted programs even though they don't have any effect on the PCU. But I think EvilDragon is right. |
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Zeroesque
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Mute everything and see what happens then.
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aron
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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None of the above.
I have confirmed that if you set all other channels to 2 and only have the piano on global (chan 1), then pressing one note will say 1 in the performance meters.
Adding MUTED channels with chan set to 01G will eat up the polyphony.
You know how you can tell? When you unmute, the muted notes sound exactly like the volume was 0, then set to the value of the fader.
It's not like the Kurzweil where you unmute and you hear nothing, then subsequent notes start sounding the unmuted patch.
Is the OASYS like this too?
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aron
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Mute everything and see what happens then.
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Damnit!!!!!!!!!!
Everything MUTED and one note = 31 voices
Voice stealing is maxxed out if I play a few notes.
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Dany
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: No... it cannot be possible |
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| aron wrote: | ... A muted channel should not eat polyphony. If this is the case, then this is terrible.
Aron |
I guess you will find the answer in this OASYS Thread:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34531
| Daz wrote: | | Pr0 wrote: | Mute fully recorded tracks and than recording/playing another track, do I get the muted track's polyphony available? I'm apparently having polyphony problems with a single Piano track + String track (8/10 IFXs used = 14 FX + 86 voices available)...
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I don't think so. IIRC hitting the Mute button just disconnects the audio output from the track. |
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EvilDragon
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MartinHines
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: No... it cannot be possible |
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| aron wrote: | When I first asked about the Kronos, I specifically asked if a mute would not eat polyphony in a combi:
Aron |
Actually, you did not "specifically ask if a mute would not eat polyphony in a combi".
You asked three questions in the same post:
-- Can you assign the front panel buttons to mute/unmute programs in a combi?
-- Can you assign the sliders to control the volumes for each program in the combo?
-- Can you assign it so it always works this way? I'd like to have 8 sounds ready to go at any time and use the mute/unmute buttons to bring in the sounds and when muted, save polyphony. In addition, I'd like to mix in the programs using the sliders.
I don't know the specific answer to your question, but RichF appears to answer the "can you assign" questions when he says "yes, you can do these things", meaning:
-- Yes, you can assign the front panel...
-- Yes, you assign the sliders...
-- Yes, you assign it so it works that way...
RichF never specifically talks about polyphony, so I doubt he noticed the "save polyphony" statement after the end of your third question.
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CfNorENa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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I have owned three Korg workstations, and on all of them, muting sounds did not affect polyphony. Highly unlikely, I'm afraid, that it will work that way on Kronos...
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SoulBe
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
on Oasys like Daz explained the mute button don´t avoids that polyphony is affected. Therefore you have to switch the status to "off".
Another possibility is posted here in the Oasys tipps and tricks section by tokke using karma
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13601&start=0
hope that helps
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aron
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Actually, you did not "specifically ask if a mute would not eat polyphony in a combi".
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Well then take out that work - even though here's a definition:
"Concerned particularly with the subject specified"
Yes I am concerned. I can barely layer a piano, ep +fm without lots of voice stealing that I hear.
I've mentioned polyphony many times with re: to the Kronos. In fact the reason why I bought was when Rich said something "like say goodbye to polyphony limits."
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Chriskk
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Can this be easily fixed by an OS update? |
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CfNorENa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| aron wrote: | | Yes I am concerned. I can barely layer a piano, ep +fm without lots of voice stealing that I hear. |
That is a bit concerning. Are you noticing this when sequencing/multitracking, or just when playing?
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EvilDragon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Chriskk wrote: | | Can this be easily fixed by an OS update? |
Should be as an adjustment of polyphony stealing algorithm. "Process muted parts YES/NO". |
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