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keywhiz61
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When I scroll through the programs on the disk---like for instance the EXs3 Brass Woodwinds Extra.PCG--not ALL the programs make sound. Some play fine, others not at all.
Is there something I'm doing wrong here? |
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danatkorg
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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From the Parameter Guide (and Help system):
"Auditioning sounds which use RAM or EXs samples
"When auditioning sounds from disks, the system can only use samples and multisamples which are already loaded. If a Program, Drum Kit, or Wave Sequence uses RAM or EXs samples which are not loaded, it will not sound correct when auditioned from disk."
Hope this helps,
Dan
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keywhiz61
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| danatkorg wrote: | Hope this helps,
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Not entirely.
I think I need a little more explanation so I can understand the structure I'm dealing with here:
I'm scrolling through some programs in the file I mentioned. There's 128 in a file named "Bank U-G". The first 5 play just fine. The next two---not at all. The next one after that--just fine again.
What would be different about those two programs?
Also, what is the difference between .PCG and .KSC files?
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David |
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danatkorg
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| keywhiz61 wrote: | | danatkorg wrote: | Hope this helps,
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Not entirely.
I think I need a little more explanation so I can understand the structure I'm dealing with here:
I'm scrolling through some programs in the file I mentioned. There's 128 in a file named "Bank U-G". The first 5 play just fine. The next two---not at all. The next one after that--just fine again.
What would be different about those two programs? |
If they use samples, the necessary sample data may not be loaded into RAM. Without that, they won't play correctly.
| keywhiz61 wrote: | | Also, what is the difference between .PCG and .KSC files? |
These sections in the manuals should be helpful:
Parameter Guide: "Files, directories, and icons" in the Disk Mode chapter
Operation Guide: "Using the KSC Auto-Load list to select which samples to load"
- Dan
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robinkle
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry for bumping in. I don't see the point with this system where you have to load and de-load to use all the sounds. It's pointless to me. Why not have the SSD be the RAM it self? Won't help complaining now, but worth a thought till next time. Now we see what happens, even though the philosophy behind Kronos is about having the work flow not stopping you from reaching your musical goals. There are room for improvement. |
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EvilDragon
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| robinkle wrote: | | Why not have the SSD be the RAM it self? |
Because that's not how direct-from-disk streaming works. RAM is still faster than SSDs in access time, so it must be used for the beginning parts of samples, after which SSD fills in. Combine this with the fact that Kronos is probably not using the latest state-of-the-art SSD, so it doesn't have the best speeds that SSDs can give today, and you have your answer why it isn't possible.
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robinkle
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| EvilDragon wrote: | | robinkle wrote: | | Why not have the SSD be the RAM it self? |
Because that's not how direct-from-disk streaming works. RAM is still faster than SSDs in access time, so it must be used for the beginning parts of samples, after which SSD fills in. |
I think this system is stupid when you can't load all at once.
Should at least be more RAM then. |
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RC-IA
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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wait for the 4go support, if it comes  |
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EvilDragon
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Well all that's needed is MORE RAM.
And the system is not stupid, and has been proven working rather well with software samples like Kontakt - which enables users to load a lot more samples than previously possible, through DFD. Tell me, do you see 32 GB of RAM in Kronos? No. That's why everything cannot be loaded at once.
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JimH
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| robinkle wrote: | I think this system is stupid when you can't load all at once.
Should at least be more RAM then. |
Or maybe just fewer sounds?
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burningbusch
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Here's what I did to get all the EX3s3 Brass/Winds to load. These are more important to me than the Japanese Grand (love the German, don't think I'll be using the Yamaha) so I'm doing without it for now.
Went into GLOBAL->BASIC->SAMPLE MANAGE and unloaded all the samples from EXs7 and EXs3.
I then saved this in the user area on the SSD: DISK-> SAVE-> (pull-down menu) SAVE SAMPLING DATA.
Go back to GLOBAL->BASIC->KSC AUTO-LOAD and click on ADD KSC. Find the KSC you just saved in the user area to add it. Now make sure the Red AUTO-LOAD buttons are clicked for EXs3 Brass Woodwinds and your newly saved KSC. You will now have all EXs3 and everything that was previously loaded except for the Japanese Grand every time you start up.
Remember to load the extra Exs3 COMBI from disk. Some of that is EXCELLENT!!!
Busch. |
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keywhiz61
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| burningbusch wrote: | Here's what I did to get all the EX3s3 Brass/Winds to load. These are more important to me than the Japanese Grand (love the German, don't think I'll be using the Yamaha) so I'm doing without it for now.
Went into GLOBAL->BASIC->SAMPLE MANAGE and unloaded all the samples from EXs7 and EXs3.
I then saved this in the user area on the SSD: DISK-> SAVE-> (pull-down menu) SAVE SAMPLING DATA.
Go back to GLOBAL->BASIC->KSC AUTO-LOAD and click on ADD KSC. Find the KSC you just saved in the user area to add it. Now make sure the Red AUTO-LOAD buttons are clicked for EXs3 Brass Woodwinds and your newly saved KSC. You will now have all EXs3 and everything that was previously loaded except for the Japanese Grand every time you start up.
Remember to load the extra Exs3 COMBI from disk. Some of that is EXCELLENT!!!
Busch. |
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robinkle
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| EvilDragon wrote: | Well all that's needed is MORE RAM.
And the system is not stupid, and has been proven working rather well with software samples like Kontakt - which enables users to load a lot more samples than previously possible, through DFD. Tell me, do you see 32 GB of RAM in Kronos? No. That's why everything cannot be loaded at once. |
Why 32? even 4 GB would be twice as good. RAM ain't that expensive. |
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robinkle
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| JimH wrote: | | robinkle wrote: | I think this system is stupid when you can't load all at once.
Should at least be more RAM then. |
Or maybe just fewer sounds? |
All sounds that comes with the unit should work without bothering with unloading and loading. |
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JimH
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| robinkle wrote: | | All sounds that comes with the unit should work without bothering with unloading and loading. |
What I'm saying is, they gave you free extra libraries and you're complaining? If they just didn't give you those, and so then everything did fit, would that have been better?
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