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[aron]

Just wondering if there was a way to take a program and have it sound exactly the same in a combi - effects and all? I know about copying the master fx and insert effects, but was wondering if there was a single command that would configure the IFX so that the program would sound exactly as in program mode?

How do you guys make the programs sound as close as possible in combi mode?
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[danatkorg]

[Shakil]

Aron....

Yes there is a way to take A program and have it sound exactly the same in Combi... but, not several programs. The IFXs are not part of the Programs (Except some of the new engines have the instrument specific effects in them), they are part of the Mixer section, that's same across all different modes.

Think of them as 16 effects processors and a mixer in a studio, and the parts/timbers as instruments/musicians..... You patch each instrument into the mixer and route the signal to one of the effects processors....

You don't get 16 x 16 effects processors in Combi or Song mode. So, you will have to do some mixing and sound design in Combi and Song mode for the specific needs of that combi and song. There are shortcuts to copy effects settings from Program to Combi, but it copies settings from processor to processor.... For example if you are using A001 in combi and that program in Program mode is routed to IFX1->IFX2->MFX1.... when you copy those to combi, and already have sounds using IFX1 and IFX2, you have to specify which one to overwrite..... It's very flexible, but can become complex... like anything flexibility adds complexity...
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[michelkeijzers]

The best way is probably copying the most important effects from all the programs being used in a combi to the combi itself. Then reroute all programs to the most applicable effects (meaning that the programs where no(t all) effects are available anymore will be rerouted.

Quite some time ago I have thought about automatically combine effects but this is very hard to accomplish.
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[jg::]

It's become part of my workflow with many Korg keyboards over the years, to look at the sound I'm considering in Program mode, and check out the effects. There's often only 2 or 3 Insert Effects there, but even there, some of those inserts might only be active when you turn a knob or use the joystick, etc. Those effects may be unnecessary to copy across. And in some cases, just a general purpose reverb in the Master Effects is enough. You can get quite fast at checking these details while you're working, I don't find it difficult.

So, quite regularly, after copying various insert effects across for some programs, I still find myself with spare Insert Effects slots. Even if using 5 of them for a drumkit, as many of the kits do.

jg::

[Shakil]

Don't forget the per channel EQ for each of 16 MIDI and 16 Audio channels. There is an option to load the EQ settings for MIDI sounds from Program by default. So, the EQ is carried over automatically when you call up different programs into Combi or Songs. You do have option to disable that and dial in your own EQ settings though....

With 12 IFXs, that are available to multiple MIDI and Audio parts at the same time, and 32 EQs... there is a lot of room for a great mix.....
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[aron]

Thanks guys. Here's what I was thinking... Ok, yes, there are 12 ifx but unless I mistook something, they are mostly identical to the mfx. So it is conceivable that there could be a copy/ paste function that can recreate the entire effects configuration for a program using the ifx only. Of course you will run out of fix, but maybe you can really nail 2 or more pograms. Unfortunately, I noticed that the ifx are used somewhat regularly for trivial effects (eq etc.)
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[Rocness]

[BillW]

[CfNorENa]

[aron]

>let me ask this question ? What's the point of having 9 synthesis engines , if I can't create my own combi instantly with them in the year 2011 . Why should I have to copy and add effects to a sound in combi mode , I paid $3000 for Korg to do that for me .

Well, besides the effects the other bigger problem was the use of polyphony when the channel is muted. That was a much bigger issue.

I do agree. So I will rephrase. Do you think it would be possible to recreate a program using only the IFX effects? If so, then this feature could be implemented in their editor software. Assuming the effects are the same, this is a simple thing to do.
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[Shakil]

Roceness: for that you will have to get 16 KRONOS...

If KORG had limited the Program sounds to use only 1 IFX (Like Fantom-G), then they could easily claim that you get your sounds same in combi as in program mode. That's one sneaky way of doing it.... hey we have 16 processors, let's just limit 1 processor per sound in program mode, and in combi you just get 16 processors, one for each part/sound. But, Korg left it open, so you can have access to all IFXs in Program mode. Don't shoot them for them.

You should be thankful that KORG left it flexible... because on the other workstations, you can't even copy effects from program to combi or any other way...... you can't tweak effects and update the program/combi, you have to use a new memory slot... you don't get memory slots for effects settings.... you can't instantly start recording a song with all the settings from a combi... and you can't route multiple tracks to a single effects... on .. and on.... So, you should get your expectations realistic...

LOL, you paid KORG $3000 to do mixing in all of your songs and combis?!?!?!

Even if you could copy all 16 programs with all their effects into Combi.... you still had to do tweak/change the effects/levels/eq... etc.. to come up with a decent mix....

In 2011, there is not a single DAW, PC or MAC that will do the mixing for you... you have to use your own effects buses and routings..... No one can predict what you want.

The softsynths thaat come with their own effects, are mostly delays, eq, reverb.... and you can't mix all of them in a song without risking a muddy chaos of sounds going in all different directions.....

KRONOS already copies the EQ settings from program... even that you would have to tweak for a good mix.....

And here is the most time saving benefit of this IMHO... let's say you tweak a synth sound's effects to match the delay timings, feadback and everything for the song... and you wanted to try different synth sounds through the same delay effects settings.... now you just have to call up a different synth sound on the track, and you tweaks will there for the IFX.... if KRONOS automatically loaded effects from the program, like Fantom-G and Yamaha Motif, your tweaks would be down the sink hole.... and you will have to retweak all the effects settings for that specific song/combi...

Aron:
Regarding channel muting, it depends on how you mute the channels... if you mute by lowering the volume, then yes it will eat polyphony, but if you mute the channel by turning OFF the midi, then it won't eat polyphony...
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[Rocness]

Sorry for my rant guys , it's just that this feature that Aron is asking about to me is the one thing stoping Korg from truly raising the bar .

Korg needs to find away to :

bring programs into combi's with out having to copy effects ,

stop running out of polyphony in combi mode

to be able to control the sound in combi mode like in program mode .

Until Korg fix these things I'm afraid the game has not been change and is actually still quite the same , literally .

[Shakil]

[CfNorENa]