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Feedback - Program P1 & Global P5 for creating Drum Kits

 
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jahrome
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:04 pm    Post subject: Feedback - Program P1 & Global P5 for creating Drum Kits Reply with quote

First, I want to say I get it. I am fully aware that many forum members here are professional keyboard players, live performers, etc and not necessarily care about the sampling and sequencing on the Kronos. I am the opposite. I like to create musical (or not so musical) compositions for my own personal enjoyment. I tend to use the onboard sampling and sequencing capabilities more than anything else. I also like the programming aspects. With that said, I find the Drum Kit programming seriously lacking. To be fair, I find other keyboard workstations lacking in this area as well, which is why I am always on the look out for a tool to finally meet my needs.

So lets get down to specifics in Global P5:

1. Limited layering. The Drum Kits don't have "true layering." In other words, I can take 4 different drum sounds and layer them. Kronos has velocity layering where you can only assign up to two samples per velocity range.
2. Panning. No way to pan individual layers.
3. Envelopes/LFOs. Drum Kits have none of the sound shaping parameters available in Program mode.
4. Voice assign. Can't set individual samples to playback as mono, poly, one shot, etc


Program P1:
This mode offers more sound shaping capabilities for drums. But it also has limitations as it adjusting different envelopes effects the entire program. You can't shape individual sounds within a program separately.

So I am pretty much disappointed here (as I am with other keyboards). I will probably continue using my MPC or Battery to craft my drum sounds and then sample or load them into Kronos.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also an amateur player, but I don't care much about the sequencer and sampler. Never used the sequencer and only played a bit with the sampler but never used it on stage (talking about the Triton Extreme in my case).

I think if you hit something on a drum that sound comes from only one direction, so layering e.g. a snare drum and want to pan one part of the layer left and the other right would seem a bit unnatural to me.

A HD1 program has the same parameters for every sound. So a piano consists of layers with parameters etc. However, what you want is for every drum sound having all those parameters available. So actually a (drum) program should be a set of 60-100 HD1 programs.

To mimic this, you can do the following but it would take a lot of time:
- Create a program for every single drum sound (e.g. snare, kick etc)
- Map 8 tracks (hopefully you don't need too many drum sounds) to 8 different programs containing drum sounds. In this case you have 8 slots available for other programs.

Advantage is that all these drum sounds have their complete HD1 parameter set available.

You could maybe combine some sounds with similar parameters into one program.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michelkeijzers wrote:
I'm also an amateur player, but I don't care much about the sequencer and sampler. Never used the sequencer and only played a bit with the sampler but never used it on stage (talking about the Triton Extreme in my case).

I think if you hit something on a drum that sound comes from only one direction, so layering e.g. a snare drum and want to pan one part of the layer left and the other right would seem a bit unnatural to me.

A HD1 program has the same parameters for every sound. So a piano consists of layers with parameters etc. However, what you want is for every drum sound having all those parameters available. So actually a (drum) program should be a set of 60-100 HD1 programs.

To mimic this, you can do the following but it would take a lot of time:
- Create a program for every single drum sound (e.g. snare, kick etc)
- Map 8 tracks (hopefully you don't need too many drum sounds) to 8 different programs containing drum sounds. In this case you have 8 slots available for other programs.

Advantage is that all these drum sounds have their complete HD1 parameter set available.

You could maybe combine some sounds with similar parameters into one program.


You are in the majority from what I can tell. This is the reason why I started this thread letting forum members know I am in the minority. This thread is probably not for you.

I am not looking for boring..natural sounding drums. Thus the reason for this thread. Drum samples like the MPC 4000/5000 and the MV-8800 allows you to layer drums the way I described. Even the Fantom G can do so to a lesser extent.

I thought about all the different work arounds including the one you mentioned. But it would not be worth the time and effort. That is why I will continue using an MPC for drums and programs like NI's Battery where I can layer the drums the way I like and sample into Kronos.
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