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MartinHines
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| BetaMark wrote: | | MartinHines wrote: | | We either have to switch audio devices in our DAW (like you described) or use the Kronos audio outputs (analog or S/PDIF). |
How would S/PDIF help? Isn't that still digital? |
Yes, but it is not an computer audio interface. With digital audio (like S/PDIF) you do have to ensure that you have the digital audio clock setup correctly (Word Clock), but the digital audio connection is through your audio interface.
For example, I have a MOTU 896mk3. I could connect the Kronos audio to it either through 2-4 analog 1/4" jacks, or an optical S/PDIF jack (provides 2-channel digital audio). In my DAW (on Windows), there is only one ASIO audio interface, my MOTU 896mk3.
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BetaMark
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| MartinHines wrote: | Yes, but it is not an computer audio interface. With digital audio (like S/PDIF) you do have to ensure that you have the digital audio clock setup correctly (Word Clock), but the digital audio connection is through your audio interface.
For example, I have a MOTU 896mk3. I could connect the Kronos audio to it either through 2-4 analog 1/4" jacks, or an optical S/PDIF jack (provides 2-channel digital audio). In my DAW (on Windows), there is only one ASIO audio interface, my MOTU 896mk3. |
Understood. Too bad my Duet doesn't have this option.
I suppose I could look for an audio interface that includes S/PDIF; this would give me more routing options. Anything in particular that you'd recommend, preferably with a sweet-sounding mic preamp? I don't need something very elaborate channel-wise, since I only really need one channel in for recording vocals.
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Lou
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| BetaMark wrote: | | MartinHines wrote: | Yes, but it is not an computer audio interface. With digital audio (like S/PDIF) you do have to ensure that you have the digital audio clock setup correctly (Word Clock), but the digital audio connection is through your audio interface.
For example, I have a MOTU 896mk3. I could connect the Kronos audio to it either through 2-4 analog 1/4" jacks, or an optical S/PDIF jack (provides 2-channel digital audio). In my DAW (on Windows), there is only one ASIO audio interface, my MOTU 896mk3. |
Understood. Too bad my Duet doesn't have this option.
I suppose I could look for an audio interface that includes S/PDIF; this would give me more routing options. Anything in particular that you'd recommend, preferably with a sweet-sounding mic preamp? I don't need something very elaborate channel-wise, since I only really need one channel in for recording vocals. |
I was up against the exact situation. I didn't need a whole lot of inputs and the Duet would have been fine. I needed at least 4 simultaneously, or at least the s/pdif option which Duet didn't have.
I went with the Ensemble and very glad I did. The clarity of audio is absolutely beautiful and very obvious.
I moved from an 896, which was verrrry old. It also is a great piece of gear, but there are many to choose from that include a s/pdif connection.
(896, or the new 828) excellent bundles. You may not need the extra inputs, but good to have, because you just never know..
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BetaMark
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Lou wrote: | I was up against the exact situation. I didn't need a whole lot of inputs and the Duet would have been fine. I needed at least 4 simultaneously, or at least the s/pdif option which Duet didn't have.
I went with the Ensemble and very glad I did. The clarity of audio is absolutely beautiful and very obvious.
I moved from an 896, which was verrrry old. It also is a great piece of gear, but there are many to choose from that include a s/pdif connection.
(896, or the new 828) excellent bundles. You may not need the extra inputs, but good to have, because you just never know.. |
Lou,
I think you've hit on the best solution for the both of us. Although you claim to have gotten the aggregate device to work, you could ditch that and instead take S/PDIF from the Kronos to your Ensemble and let it do the routing; then, just by choosing Ensemble as your input device in Logic, you'll have both the Ensemble and Kronos inputs available, and you'd still be entirely digital. It would be a bit cleaner (and supported) of a solution than the aggregate device.
I'm now seriously considering an Ensemble for myself. A bit pricy, but all of the Apogee stuff is drop-dead gorgeous, as well as some of the sweetest-sounding mic preamps around.
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blinkofanI
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If you want the same format as the Duet, look at the RME Babyface. Great preamps and converters, 2 analog ins, digital inputs either S/Pdif or ADAT(so you could either plug the Kronos digital out or if you buy a ADAT 8-channel strip you could plug the 6 analog outs from the Kronos and have them as live inputs in Logic so you only commit to audio once all is perfect), MIDI In/OUT.
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Lou
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| BetaMark wrote: |
I think you've hit on the best solution for the both of us. Although you claim to have gotten the aggregate device to work, you could ditch that and instead take S/PDIF from the Kronos to your Ensemble and let it do the routing; then, just by choosing Ensemble as your input device in Logic, you'll have both the Ensemble and Kronos inputs available, and you'd still be entirely digital. It would be a bit cleaner (and supported) of a solution than the aggregate device. |
This is ultimately the best and most direct way to go, and avoiding any possibilities of aggregate aggravation! 
| Quote: | | I'm now seriously considering an Ensemble for myself. A bit pricy, but all of the Apogee stuff is drop-dead gorgeous, as well as some of the sweetest-sounding mic preamps around. |
If you can do the pricey thing, I can't begin to explain what it has done for my vocal recording.
My mic is going into VoiceLive 2 and coaxial s/pdif to the Ensemble. So yes, using the optical for Kronos will give me an entire digital path. Nice!
Even analog ins are very nice with the onboard Pre s
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| blinkofanI wrote: | If you want the same format as the Duet, look at the RME Babyface. Great preamps and converters, 2 analog ins, digital inputs either S/Pdif or ADAT(so you could either plug the Kronos digital out or if you buy a ADAT 8-channel strip you could plug the 6 analog outs from the Kronos and have them as live inputs in Logic so you only commit to audio once all is perfect), MIDI In/OUT.
Blink |
Hmmm...
well, I guess this is a possibility. I do like the form factor; my studio workstation is pretty cramped and not very conducive to a rack-mount piece. Still, Apogee is revered for their audio quality. How would the RME stack up in this regard?
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blinkofanI
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I think they're both in the same quality league. Just google for some review. I know that Sound On Sound did a review on it recently and they were amazed at the quality. I went for it instead of the Duet because of the midi and input/output expandability. But it's more expensive. And the USB2.0 driver is rock solid with very low latency. It frees my firewire port for my External HD.... And you can control its output with the keyboard keys on your Mac!!!
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| blinkofanI wrote: | I think they're both in the same quality league. Just google for some review. I know that Sound On Sound did a review on it recently and they were amazed at the quality. I went for it instead of the Duet because of the midi and input/output expandability. But it's more expensive. And the USB2.0 driver is rock solid with very low latency. It frees my firewire port for my External HD.... And you can control its output with the keyboard keys on your Mac!!!
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Thanks, Blink. I think this is the direction I'll go in. I just don't have the space in my setup for a rack-mount form factor, and the Babyface will be much easier on the wallet than an Ensemble.
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Lou
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Good news: got my K-88... bad news: aggregate audio unst |
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I prefer to use the computer's normal input/output settings so that I can audition my mixes on the computer speakers as well as my near-field monitors. |
I cannot hear Kronos (USB) out of my Mac speakers?
If I select Kronos USB Input and Output in the Sound Preferences I can see the signal on the screen, but hear nada?
What is it that I am not doing? 
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Broadwave
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In the Sound Preferences, try setting up the Input to Kronos, then switch to the output tab and select Mac Internal (I think that's the one, I'm not on my Mac at the moment).
That should work... if it doesn't, try using Soundflower/Soundflower Bed which is a free app for routing audio to and from various sources/destinations.
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Lou
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| Kronik wrote: | In the Sound Preferences, try setting up the Input to Kronos, then switch to the output tab and select Mac Internal (I think that's the one, I'm not on my Mac at the moment).
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Thanks, but I have tried every possible combination of ins and outs with no luck.
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