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billysynth1 · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:38 am Post subject: Jupiter 80 Manual available

Here it is

http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?PRODUCT=JUPITER%2D80

Careful dont drop it on your foot its about 100 pages lol

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michelkeijzers · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:59 am Post subject:

100 pages is not much compared to the 1000+ pages of the Kronos parameter guide, however the articulation parameters look very interesting tough.
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Broadwave · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:28 am Post subject:

I just KNOW I'm gonna be bi*ch slapped for this, but... IS THAT IT?

I was looking forward to reading the user and parameter guides, to see what the Jupiter could do - don't get me wrong, I usually like Roland keyboards (having previously owned a D50, XP50 and Juno G) but they dropped the ball with the Gaia, and seem to have scored an own goal with this...

I'm seriously glad I chose the Kronos over the 80.

BTW this is just my personal opinion! Wink

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RKfan · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:10 pm Post subject:

The parameter guide is 86 pages - seems a little light to me but then Roland guides do tend to be a description of what is available but light on how to use the parameters and also in some places can be a bit repetitive.

The Korg manuals on the other hand give the users a bit of a clue about what the parameters might be used for.

EvilDragon · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject:

Yep, seems like a rather straightforward board with not too much tinkering.

It has lots of limitations (only parallel FX, WTF?), but I think it will prove to be a great live performance board. Completely different scope than Kronos, but not without its own merits.

McHale · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject:

A Casio with D-Beam doesn't need a lot of pages...
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sparkie · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:10 pm Post subject:

Man, I like the interface..... and the separate buttons for "transpose, octave up&down, and arpeggio on/off buttons for lower and upper keyboard!! Plus a separate "assignable" button and a reverb on/off!! A++++

I dont know about everyone else, but to me pushing buttons are much easier than fumbling around menus looking for the right tab...or area to touch on a display screen...gets to be a chore and a pain in the ass..

Buttons also allow you to still see the "main program or combi" page on the screen without having to continue going back and forth to the previous menu when you are editing or changing the sounds. Why Korg doesnt use this method I have no idea?

michelkeijzers · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject:

sparkie · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject:

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EvilDragon · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:26 pm Post subject:

However, I can agree with dedicated transpose and octave up/down buttons that are GLOBAL, and not taking up SW1 and SW2 and need to be programmed per patch, as on Kronos.

I wouldn't call JP-80's design poor. I'd just say it LOOKS ridiculous. However it's built for performance. Yeah it doesn't have tons of sliders and knobs or whatnot, but since it has clever behavioral models that take note at what you play, you don't even need a gazillion controllers to pull off a convincing performance. Solo sounds are much better on JP-80 than on Kronos for that sole reason, especially brass.

michelkeijzers · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject:

If you extend this idea it would be nice if Korg (as leading or one of the leading) synth companies, continued with the Komponent system by completely separating the UI/controllers from the keybed and the synth engine(s). This way you have always three modules:
- keybed
- synth (motherboard + memory etc)
- UI: display + controllers (buttons, knobs, sliders etc)

This means there should be:
- e.g. 3 types of keybeds: 61, 73 weighted and 88 weighted (like now)
- synth engine (Korg Kronos), one for now, Kronos 2 will be the next etc
- display + controllers: none (in case you want to use a DAW like system entirely), normal (like the one now), extended (with a lot of extra buttons/sliders etc like the Oasys)

All items can be combined. You just order 1 keybed, 1 synth and 1 UI. Korg can make it in such a way you can connect/disconnect it yourself or not at all (order a combined system).

Advantages for the user:
- Flexibility: possibility to get a 61 keyboard with an extended UI, or an 88 with no UI at all

Advantages for Korg:
- They do not have to create a new UI each time -> cheaper
- They probably will sell a lot more of synth engines since users can keep their older parts if they want, however the cost will be lower
- They can even more concentrate on the synth engines.
- Test time decreases since they don't have to create a new UI each time.

Disadvantages for the user:
- It will be a bit more expensive (having a flexible system)

Disadvantages for Korg:
- Test time increases a bit to test the extra flexibility.

But at the end it would be great: like the M3 but then even further:
- Taking your synth engine from your studio and place it in your case at home. It will be very light, at the studio there is an extended UI and 88 keybed and at home you have a 61 keybed and no UI (DAW controlled)
- When a new 'Kronos' comes out, you just buy a new synth engine
- When Korg creates a new keybed it can be used with older synths too
- Same for a UI ...
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EvilDragon · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject:

Korg Komponent system was kind of a flop, IMHO...

MartinHines · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject:

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