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RonF Platinum Member
Joined: 04 Jul 2002 Posts: 1179 Location: San Diego, CA USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:41 am Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: |
After all I heard so far, the JP-80 Oscillators and filters sound nearly lame in comparison. They may be good for some pads and synth brass made fat by layering, but as far as I can judge from the available demos, they are competely missing the grit and the punch (not speaking of the MUCH better resonsance filtering) of the Kronos VAs! |
Exactly like the original JP-8 as compared to the original MS20. So totally different in character. JP-8 was always "smooth" and bright in character, vs MS20 grit and punch. Not to mention Mono vs Poly in the originals...which led, I think, to Roland designing JP8 more on how its oscillators blended in a polyphonic patch, vs the MS20 which needed to sound BIG solely on its oscillators-per-patch.
They are two totally different beasts in the original......modeled now years later to virtually replicate (if not improve upon) the original.
I think the better comparison might be the MS20 against the Voyager, myself (still, MS20 would win for Grit). But none the less, I see your point, because these are all very different to taste. _________________ http://soundcloud.com/ronf-3/sets/ronf-music
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Now imagine Kronos combis relying on three VAs with a distinct flavor, like the lush and warm Polysix, the gritty and punchy MS-20, and the AL1 somewhere in between in sound character, while the latter is offering huge possibilities reminding of modular synths.
The JP-80 may be closer in sound to some Roland traditions it tries to mimic, but the Kronos definitely covers a much broader area of sonic possibilities of VA power:
- it has it all from warmth to grid, and you could anytime play 3 or 4 layer combis, making use of this unmatched variety in polyphonic play. The JP-80 has neither such a wide scope in sound (with JP-80 filters covering not more than around one third of the way to self oscillation according to testers) nor such a depth in programming features.
I guess we have just touched the tip of the iceberg by using the Kronos VA factory sounds.
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Vlad_77 Senior Member
Joined: 08 Jun 2011 Posts: 380 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Aron,
All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, one more thing: it STILL isn't "Final Countdown". (j/k)
Well done!!!
Ahimsa,
Vlad _________________ Current gear: Kronos, Jupiter 80, Kurzweil PC3,Roland Fantom X8, Roland XV-88 (yep, its old, but the ACTION is heaven and those XV-3080 sounds are still wonderful for me), Radias-R, Motif ES (yeah it's older but I love the guitars ) |
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kimu Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 1133 Location: Italy,Milan
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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great Aron! very very nice analog-ish sounds!
since at the moment kronos is out of reach as well as real MS-20, i will have a check for the legacy collection... |
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RonF Platinum Member
Joined: 04 Jul 2002 Posts: 1179 Location: San Diego, CA USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: |
The JP-80 may be closer in sound to some Roland traditions it tries to mimic, but the Kronos definitely covers a much broader area of sonic possibilities of VA power:
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100% agree!
Quote: | with JP-80 filters covering not more than around one third of the way to self oscillation according to testers |
I don't know where that is coming from. I haven't done a scientific test or anything....but that is not what I am hearing to my ears. FWIW.
Quote: | The JP-80 has neither such a wide scope in sound nor such a depth in programming features. |
No it does not! Agreed. _________________ http://soundcloud.com/ronf-3/sets/ronf-music
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jeebustrain Platinum Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2011 Posts: 1284 Location: In a Roger Dean painting
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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this is fantastic - can't wait for mine.
It's good to know that I'll be able to retire my MS2000BR - this right here is basically the sound that I use that for. _________________ ::: Korg Kronos 88 ::: Alesis Fusion 8HD ::: Kurzweil PC361 ::: Roland V-Synth ::: DSI Prophet 12 ::: DSI OB-6 ::: Korg Prophecy ::: Moog Micromoog ::: Yamaha CP-30 ::: Alesis Andromeda ::: Moog Sub37 ::: Sequential Prophet 600 ::: Korg MS2000BR ::: GSI Burn :::
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aron Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Jan 2011 Posts: 1548 Location: Hawaii
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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The Kronos makes my Sequential Pro One sound mellow. I think it even makes my Micro Moog seem totally tame in comparison. _________________ Korg Kronos, RD-88, Yamaha VL1, Deep Mind 6, Korg Kross, author of unrealBook for iPad. |
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RonF Platinum Member
Joined: 04 Jul 2002 Posts: 1179 Location: San Diego, CA USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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aron wrote: | The Kronos makes my Sequential Pro One sound mellow. I think it even makes my Micro Moog seem totally tame in comparison. |
Kronos does have a harder (a good thing in this respect) output stage than my Moog Voyager. But I sense it on most programs, not just MS20. Its part of the Kronos character....its "sharp"....more than "warm" to my ears. It has some bite....and really cuts into a mix well. _________________ http://soundcloud.com/ronf-3/sets/ronf-music
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr1zAKpV_F226LQZrUYGPQA
Favorite Gear: Kronos 61, M3, Z1, Radias, KPro, KP3, Moog Voyager, Foogers, Virus TI, Jupiter 80, Integra7, GAIA, SPD-30, Kiwi 106, RE-201, MC808, RC505, MV8800, DSI P6 and OB6 and P12, Ensoniq SQ80, EMU MP-7, Eventide H7600, Eclipse, SPACE, Pitchfactor, Timefactor, Looperlative LP-1, Axe FX Ultra, Nord Modular, DSI Tetra, Tempest, PEK, JDXA, Eurorack Modular, Octatrack, MDUW, Monomachine, A4, RYTM, Waldorf Q Phoenix, MWXTk, Blofeld, TR8. |
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EXer Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 558 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Morten'J Full Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 130 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | Now imagine Kronos combis relying on three VAs with a distinct flavor, like the lush and warm Polysix, the gritty and punchy MS-20, and the AL1 somewhere in between in sound character, while the latter is offering huge possibilities reminding of modular synths.
The JP-80 may be closer in sound to some Roland traditions it tries to mimic, but the Kronos definitely covers a much broader area of sonic possibilities of VA power:
- it has it all from warmth to grid, and you could anytime play 3 or 4 layer combis, making use of this unmatched variety in polyphonic play. The JP-80 has neither such a wide scope in sound (with JP-80 filters covering not more than around one third of the way to self oscillation according to testers) nor such a depth in programming features.
I guess we have just touched the tip of the iceberg by using the Kronos VA factory sounds. |
Funny about JP 80 why no Sync ,Gaia has sync it looks like same just with 350 samples and Supersaw detune.
I played Korg Kronos and big Wow I played mostly HD1,AL1,MS20,Polysix and MOD 7 and they are great and in Combi mode more Wow.
MOD7 can also do some wild synth sounds like syncleads.
Look forward to Karo MOOG Taurus bass samples _________________ Korg Kronos 61(soon)
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kimu Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 1133 Location: Italy,Milan
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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RonF wrote: | aron wrote: | The Kronos makes my Sequential Pro One sound mellow. I think it even makes my Micro Moog seem totally tame in comparison. |
Kronos does have a harder (a good thing in this respect) output stage than my Moog Voyager. But I sense it on most programs, not just MS20. Its part of the Kronos character....its "sharp"....more than "warm" to my ears. It has some bite....and really cuts into a mix well. |
I admit that still have to try kronos but my voyager sounds more analog and fat than the very good mp3 linked at the beginning... |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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@Morten'j.
Does the JP80 have no oscillator sync?
I can hardly imagine that. Any real VA has.
You probably mean the pcm based patches? Just don't have the JP80 manual in reach.
@kimu: My Voyager also has more fat warmth. But that was the difference between the original MS-20 and the Minimoog as well. The great thing is to get the gritty MS-20 sound with a lot of analog-like character. But that reminds me how well I could control my Voyager RME by the Kronos, and play routing the Voyager outs into the Kronos inputs. |
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Morten'J Full Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 130 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | @Morten'j.
Does the JP80 have no oscillator sync?
I can hardly imagine that. Any real VA has.
You probably mean the pcm based patches? Just don't have the JP80 manual in reach.
@kimu: My Voyager also has more fat warmth. But that was the difference between the original MS-20 and the Minimoog as well. The great thing is to get the gritty MS-20 sound with a lot of analog-like character. But that reminds me how well I could control my Voyager RME by the Kronos, and play routing the Voyager outs into the Kronos inputs. |
I have the brochue with JP80 from Frankfurt Musicmesse ,and I just look in the manual it only say Ring Mod ,I think you have to use sampled sync osc like HD1 _________________ Korg Kronos 61(soon)
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Wouldn't that raise doubts about the stated real VA oscillators (I mean oscillating in contrast to pcm waves)?
You find me confused.
RonF, can you clarify? |
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Morten'J Full Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 130 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | Wouldn't that raise doubts about the stated real VA oscillators (I mean oscillating in contrast to pcm waves)?
You find me confused.
RonF, can you clarify? |
That is why I get a Kronos and just love Karo Movie with Elka Synthex and Roland MKS 80 samples just sound great and the laserharp.
I was near buying a Elka Synthex for 4500$ few months ago.
I find Kronos great for Jan Hammer,Kitaro,Vangelis,Jarre style music
Jan Hammer did sell his MemoryMOOG,Fairlight,Roland Jupiter 8 and get Korg's maybe he use Kronos or Oasys today.Saw Tears for Fears have a Oasys.
and I ask Kurt if he could sample his MOOG Taurus MK1 ,and he did KTB Karo Taurus Bass will be out soon for Kronos.
I just keep my Gaia and use my SonicCell as Effectprocessor for it. _________________ Korg Kronos 61(soon)
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