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HERE THE FAQ - REPLACING/ADDING SSDs on KRONOS 88 LS

 
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Guttalaser



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject: HERE THE FAQ - REPLACING/ADDING SSDs on KRONOS 88 LS Reply with quote

To me was very hard to find all the answers (many of those were inconsistent or contradictory) before put my hands inside my new Kronos 88 LS.
So i decided to do myself and here is it my experience.

DISCLAIMERS:
a) everything you do, you do at your own risk including void the Korg warranty!
b) this FAQ applies to the KORG KRONOS 88 LS with fw. 3.1.2
c) REMOVE THE POWER CORD!
d)DON'T SEARCH ME FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOU OR TO YOUR KRONOS!

LET'S START!

1) DO THE SAMSUNG 850 EVO SATA III WORKS?
YESSS!!! ABSOLUTELY YESSS!
I swapped the 64Gb BIWIN factory SSD (almost FULL of libraries as you can see in my firm! only 3Gb of free space!) with a Samsung 850 EVO 500Gb and ALSO added a second Samsung EVO 850 1Tb (for my samples and audio recording/tracks.

2) CAN THE KRONOS FORMAT THE SECOND SSD 1TB LARGE?
YESSS!!! ABSOLUTELY YESSS!
Because the logic of the address allocation table of the data (or how is called in the SSD technology) of the SSDs you will find that the formatted space is smaller than the real SSD capacity (you will "lost" about 50Gb for the 500Gb and about 100Gb for the 1Tb!)

3) HAVE YOU REISTALLED THE SYSTEM FROM THE FACTORY CDs AND REAUTHORIZED THE KRONOS?
NOOOO!!!
I've CLONED the factory SSD to the Samsung 850 EVO 500Gb using the OFF-LINE cloning procedure of a cheap Inatek FD2102 SATA docking station!
No need to connect that docking to any pc/mac! The Inateck works standalone when cloning (pay attention: source disk in the slot A and target disk in the slot B... coz it clone FROM A to B!).
The Inateck cloned ALL the system disk, with his partitions, subpartitions (visible and hidden), directories... and ALL the libreries installed and authorized!
ADDENDUM: say you have installed and authorized a library in the original factory SSD ok? Then you must free some room in that disk... so uninstall (see in the manual the uninstall procedure) that library. Well... I reinstalle 2 libraries in the new larger SSD and... voilà... that libraries are already authorized. Means that the authorizazione key-code not only is resident on the SSD... but also that the clone procedure replicate that key-code!

4) WHAT MUST I DO AFTER CLONING THE SYSTEM SSD ON A LARGER SSD?
Ok... this is maybe the tricky part... BUT if I did... you can do!
You need a pc!
When you CLONE a 64Gb disk on a 500Gb disk... you get a 500Gb disk with 64Gb used... and 436Gb UNALLOCATED (means: you and your Kronos can't see and use that space!)
So you need to expand the space of the USER partition of the new disk.
Because the factory and the cloned new disk are LINUX you need to use a free tool called GParted Live (search about!)
My pc is a win 7 64 so i prepared an USB flash key (read in the web about) and started my pc from that USB key.
You must use the GParted version according you kind of yourmachine (32bit, 64bit... etc.)
Again: read about the Gparted Live and the setup of the USB flash on line.
The only thing i can add here is: the user partition you must expand (resize!) is the partition with two subpartitions (you can see a tree structure in Gparted).
So you must do the expand procedure twice:
FIRST expand the upper partition
THEN AGAIN expand the USER subpartition (to me was easy understand wich one because was the bigger 54Gb subpartition where all the libraries were installed!)
Then... exit GParted... and you are done!

5) SATA CONNECTION AND OTHER MECHANICAL QUESTIONS

CONNECTORS
On the KRONOS 88 LS, because the synth-weighted keybed, there are NO problem about the 90° sata connector: the blue sata connectors on the motherboard are free and visibles so you can use the stright connector kind of sata cable for the second hard drive.

SATA CABLE LENGHT
Because the 88 keys long keybed i suggest a 60cm long SATA CABLE.
50cm can do the job... BUT 60cm is BETTER (size matters!)
This for the second SSD.
For the primary SSD you can use the cable already inside the Kronos.

NEED TO ADD A DISK POWER CONNECTOR?
NO! it's already inside the Kronos.
I wanna clarify this point: The Kronos IS READY for a secondary disk!
You only need to buy the disk and a sata cable!

WICH SATA PORT FOR WICH DISK?
The two sata ports on the KRONOS 88 LS are labeled SATA2_1 (the one where the original system disk is connected) and SATA2_2 the unused one.
So the new system disk goes to the SATA2_1 and the secondary added disk goes to the SATA2_2.

HOW OPEN THE BOTTOM OF THE KRONOS
FIRST: you need to put the Kronos upside-down and you MUST PAY ATTENTION to THE JOYSTICKS (bender and vector!).
OBIOUSLY: remove the power cord!!!!!
I used my couch using the arm to support the side with the joysticks.
Then you must unscrew ALL (yeah... they are a lot!) the screws excepts the rubber feet. ALL means ALL!!! Even the 2 silver screws on the sides of the electrical shock warning!
Don't be afraid... loosing the screws the dark metal cover under the keybed moves!!! BUT THE KEYBED DON'T MOVE!

THE DISK(s) BAY
FIRSTTHINGFIRST!!!
You don't want any little screw running free inside your Kronos, so:
a) ducktape all the holes around the disk bay area!!!
b) AND use a good magnetic tip screwdriver!!!
c) AND use a small tweezer when unscrew to keep the little screws
I wanna stress this because this is REALLY THE VERY DANGEROUS part!!!

The disk bay has a little brass bar.
You don't need it and it's an annoying obstacle to your work. AND... you can use the 2 screws of this little bar for you secondary SSD.
You have 4 screws of the system disk and 2 screws (same size) of the removed brass bar... so ca use 3 of them for each disk (SSDs are so light that are enough even only 2 screws at the opposite angles along the diagonal).

Well!
That's all folks!
Good Luck!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi. I got the drive in and is working perfectly. My issue is re-assembling the kronos ls believe it or not. I cannot get that black bar under the keybed positioned properly. the front 9 screws, how do they screw back into that plate? Frustrated as hell....not sure what i'm doing wrong. Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sensationlive wrote:
Hi. I got the drive in and is working perfectly. My issue is re-assembling the kronos ls believe it or not. I cannot get that black bar under the keybed positioned properly. the front 9 screws, how do they screw back into that plate? Frustrated as hell....not sure what i'm doing wrong. Thanks


WOW!... opened my 88LS many times and never had this prob!
Have you maybe removed the black bar?!

Anyway... if i remeber well, the bar has a slot all along it... and the bottom metal plate (the keys side) must fit inside that slot. So you ust adjust/center the bar first and then put on the metal plate and center it with the screws holes.
Is the bottom metal plate that thake in place the bar.
Hope this help!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Eventually I got it back on by putting my keyboard on top of my stand and then screwing it from underneath. It’s really confusing though why such a high and keyboard would have a piece that’s not fixed for one and secondly that there are no guiding holes for the bar as well like the rest of the screws at the bottom of the keyboard. With that said thank you so much for the detailed instructions the “hard part “work perfectly LOL
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Guttalaser
Thank you very much for this analytical post. It is very helpful.

I have a new Kronos LS and thinking of upgrading its SSD to.
Did you get any pictures from inside the LS. If so, could you upload them?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Guttalaser: You mentioned a hardware cloning device. Did you try a software-based clone methods like Partimage, Partclone or Clonezilla

Did you try them before?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SKung wrote:
@Guttalaser: You mentioned a hardware cloning device. Did you try a software-based clone methods like Partimage, Partclone or Clonezilla

Did you try them before?


I used Clonezilla with my previous K61. It works.
That is the way i will do my LS now.
I had an older post describing the procedure. I will copy and paste it:

xtatty wrote:
I used Clonezilla for the cloning and Gparted for the resizing of korg/rw partition. I didn't reinstall anything from the DVDs.

In order to achieve that, you have to use the expert mode in Clonezilla. When you get to the point that gives you the choices with the asterisk, you have to un-tick everything and tick only -q1 (Force to use sector-by-sector copy).
See picture... http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/03_Disk_to_disk_clone/images/ocs-05-b-2-expert-param-extra.png

When the cloning completes, use gparted to resize "korg/rw" partition.
You are done!

Plug in the new ssd and Kronos boots up with your new bigger drive and everything in its place!


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