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SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

Really? I feel almost the exact opposite about it. Way too arranged and powered by technical brilliance rather than improv and feelings from the moment itself.

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Not to diss any of their brilliant musicians by the way, musical is all personal of course, and it just doesn't resonate with me at all.

EvilDragon · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject:

Indeed. DT is as formulaic as prog can be. You can always expect intentional odd timesig changes where they should be flowing, and not being broken just for the fact that they should "sound prog". Forced, instead of flow. That's DT. Especially nowadays, when they rip off of bands that are younger than them (i.e. Muse - which are also absolutely GREAT musicians, and songwriters!).

For a proper song in which you can't guess at which meters it runs, but it FLOWS and still sounds awesome, check Pain Of Salvation, specifically Chain Sling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX1NXAQk8Hg

I don't mind DT at all (especially their early days with Moore and Sherinian, and first two albums with Rudess), but they're pretty boring today. All great players, but lacking soul. And soul is what Pain Of Salvation has TONS of.

Am just starting to get into Porcupine Tree. I am rather amazed at what mr. Barbieri does there. Excellent songwriting all around!

Bruce Lychee · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Posts: 856

Been following Muse since I saw them at the Wiltern in 04. I've seen them live 5 times and they always kill on stage. Porcupine Tree is also great live.
One of the few progressive bands I like.
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michelkeijzers · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:18 pm Post subject:

EvilDragon · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject:

They do have jam sessions, yes.

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

I wonder how that goes, they're doing a nice groove and then the drummer decides to screw with everyone by alternating 13/8 with 11/16, then Petrucci can't follow it and just plays as many notes as he can, and so on. Record, check what actually happened, write down, go to the gig? Smile

EvilDragon · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject:

They collaborate, feed ideas off of each other. A good example might be Making of Train Of Thought video, you can see the inception of Honor Thy Father intro and main riff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ovdzUj8h6o

michelkeijzers · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:19 pm Post subject:

Sander: You are right, it cannot be just improvisational ... but I guess due to the absence of repeats of real chorus/verse and cramming a lot of notes it sounds improvisional but it is not.

Maybe the music is too difficult for me that I don't understand it or cannot follow it, but I don't hear much structure in their songs.

However, they all are reall good musicians and I know they CAN play structured.
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michelkeijzers · Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject:

Jansen is still in the band but they have a new guitarist. I don't know if the new guitarist caused the more harder influence, but I liked the slower songs better.
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