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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:49 pm    Post subject: If a Combi requires Midi Channel 1Global for sound output... Reply with quote

Why not default each MIDI channel 1G???

Every time I create a new Combi and add programs to the tracks in the Combi, timbre's 2-16 require changing the midi channel to a global channel to output sound.

Why doesn't the Kronos default to a global channel so I don't pull my hair out each time trying to find out why my track program does not produce sound!!!


Grrrrr!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it's from when you make a song each timbre has its own midi channel. However, you are right that most people use combis for splits/layering instead of multitrack.

I have two keyboards, so I use only MIDI channel 1 and 2.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edit an initialized, empty Combi so that all timbres use 1G. Save. There's your startpoint for making new combis that behaves exactly how you want.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: If a Combi requires Midi Channel 1Global for sound outpu Reply with quote

kbrkr wrote:
Why not default each MIDI channel 1G???

Every time I create a new Combi and add programs to the tracks in the Combi, timbre's 2-16 require changing the midi channel to a global channel to output sound.

Why doesn't the Kronos default to a global channel so I don't pull my hair out each time trying to find out why my track program does not produce sound!!!


Grrrrr!!!!


1 easy solution... (and you shouldn't STILL be pulling your hair out trying to figure it out.... Wink )

Just create a template (name it combi template) with all the tracks/parts on the global midi channel and then you're good to go for the future. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a combi would default to having all tracks on the global channel, you'd have sixteen "default" patches sounding, when you might only want to layer two or three. Which would be at least as annoying as having to change a few midi channels. The above solution seems good enough for your purposes.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If a combi would default to having all tracks on the global channel, you'd have sixteen "default" patches sounding, when you might only want to layer two or three. Which would be at least as annoying as having to change a few midi channels. The above solution seems good enough for your purposes.


I would suggest setting everyone except the first to Mute.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michelkeijzers wrote:
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If a combi would default to having all tracks on the global channel, you'd have sixteen "default" patches sounding, when you might only want to layer two or three. Which would be at least as annoying as having to change a few midi channels. The above solution seems good enough for your purposes.


I would suggest setting everyone except the first to Mute.


More like set to 'off' status. mute still uses polyphony i believe.

I think ill do that tomorrow.. make a combi template or just all tracks get to GCH (better incase you need ot change the global channel) and set all status to off except timbre 1.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

robbinhood wrote:
michelkeijzers wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:
If a combi would default to having all tracks on the global channel, you'd have sixteen "default" patches sounding, when you might only want to layer two or three. Which would be at least as annoying as having to change a few midi channels. The above solution seems good enough for your purposes.


I would suggest setting everyone except the first to Mute.


More like set to 'off' status. mute still uses polyphony i believe.

I think ill do that tomorrow.. make a combi template or just all tracks get to GCH (better incase you need ot change the global channel) and set all status to off except timbre 1.


Yes I mean Off (actually to be sure I mostly do it both).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how that is somehow more convenient than just dealing with the midi channels.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SanderXpander wrote:
I don't see how that is somehow more convenient than just dealing with the midi channels.


Youre missing the point man.
Can't you see KORGS LOGIC IS FLAWED?
CANT YOU SEE THAT KORG SHOULDVE DONE IT PERFECTLY THE FIRST TIME?

DONT YOU SEE HOW MUCH OF AN INFERIOR WORKSTATION THIS IS BECAUSE OF THIS?

sheesh...




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe.
I guess this is where the "mute without losing polyphony" would really shine, though, since there are direct switches for muting parts.

I've dealt with Karma and Triton Extreme long enough that setting up a new combi is really quick, I don't really care about the midi channels. But the direct access muting would be a really good way to solve this.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mostly copy a combi from another combi which resembles what I want/need and then adapt it.

On the other hand, mostly I remove/add timbres and it would be nice to have some sort of sort functionality for timbres (e.g. based on MIDI).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having all channels at 1 by Default would really sux and it would make a
nightmare for programmers...it is done that way with a logic behind that.
When creating a Combi with KARMA from scratch thats when the Logic comes
in that, imagine 16 Pianoc sounding all at once.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BasariStudios wrote:
Having all channels at 1 by Default would really sux and it would make a
nightmare for programmers...it is done that way with a logic behind that.
When creating a Combi with KARMA from scratch thats when the Logic comes
in that, imagine 16 Pianoc sounding all at once.


That's why you also can set them to OFF.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But if you're doing a combi without the need for KARMA, but, say, doing some splits and layers for live performance, having them all on 1G is helpful.
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