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SanderXpander
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| Also, I think Korg was perhaps hoping for more third party development for the Oasys, but it never got there? I'm just speculating here but I know that the Oasys PCI is STILL being used and developed for in sound design studios. Somewhat of a niche market, but the same could be said for the Oasys workstations. |
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shawnhar
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I don't see how they could have had third party development when they never released any documentation, tools, or an SDK to enable that!
Even leaving aside whether the market would have been big enough to be interesting to third parties, I'm doubtful whether Korg ever would have wanted that. Truly open platforms that can run third party code have many advantages, but also many problems: it's hard to maintain quality and robustness if you don't know exactly what software is running, control how it was tested, etc!
My guess is they intentionally didn't open this up, in order to be able to control reliability of the platform. That is after all their single big selling point compared to a Windows PC. If they opened things up so it could run arbitrary softsynths from other companies, they'd risk ending up with just a very expensive PC, losing all the big advantages they get from being a dedicated hardware device that only runs their own specially tuned code. |
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michelkeijzers
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| SanderXpander wrote: | | Also, I think Korg was perhaps hoping for more third party development for the Oasys, but it never got there? I'm just speculating here but I know that the Oasys PCI is STILL being used and developed for in sound design studios. Somewhat of a niche market, but the same could be said for the Oasys workstations. |
It is somewhat strange that the detailed MIDI sysex documents have not been published for the Oasys, while it was done for the Triton, M50, M3 and Kronos.
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TonyGen
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| McHale wrote: | | TonyGen wrote: | | Korg introduced the M3 and soon after updated it's sequencer (at zero cost) to include piano roll. Surely the flagship Korg synth costing many times more than the M3 should have had a sequencer update to at least put in on a par with M3. |
Then why didn't they put piano roll on the KRONOS if it's so easy? |
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TonyGen
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| shawnhar wrote: |
My guess is they intentionally didn't open this up, in order to be able to control reliability of the platform. That is after all their single big selling point compared to a Windows PC. If they opened things up so it could run arbitrary softsynths from other companies, they'd risk ending up with just a very expensive PC, losing all the big advantages they get from being a dedicated hardware device that only runs their own specially tuned code. |
I've come to the same conclusion. So a bit misleading of Korg to call it Open Architecture but we've done that discussion to death. |
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shawnhar
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"Open" is one of the worst defined words in the English language 
I work in the software field (in the Xbox developer tools group at Microsoft) so spend a lot of my time dealing with exactly such issues.
"Open source", "OpenGL", "open developer platform", all use the same word to mean radically different things, and that's even before the marketing people get involved! |
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McHale
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| TonyGen wrote: | | Don't know ask Kato next time you see him |
I thought you had all the answers since it was a BIG conspiracy against OASYS owners. If it were easily doable, don't you think they'd have done it for the KRONOS?
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TonyGen
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| McHale wrote: | | TonyGen wrote: | | Don't know ask Kato next time you see him |
I thought you had all the answers since it was a BIG conspiracy against OASYS owners. If it were easily doable, don't you think they'd have done it for the KRONOS? |
You know what thought did......he went to a funeral and thought it was a wedding....
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Kontrol49
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| shawnhar wrote: |
"Open source", "OpenGL", "open developer platform", all use the same word to mean radically different things, d! |
Yeh.....in Korg land it also uses a radical different meaning too "open architecture" which when translated to Japanese mean
"weeso-ripped-chewoff" 
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TonyGen
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| Kontrol49 wrote: | | shawnhar wrote: |
"Open source", "OpenGL", "open developer platform", all use the same word to mean radically different things, d! |
Yeh.....in Korg land it also uses a radical different meaning too "open architecture" which when translated to Japanese means "wee-so-ripped-chewoff" |
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TonyGen
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| shawnhar wrote: | "Open" is one of the worst defined words in the English language
I work in the software field (in the Xbox developer tools group at Microsoft) so spend a lot of my time dealing with exactly such issues.
"Open source", "OpenGL", "open developer platform", all use the same word to mean radically different things, and that's even before the marketing people get involved! |
The marketing people certainly did a good job on me and quite a few others. |
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McHale
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| TonyGen wrote: | | The marketing people certainly did a good job on me and quite a few others. |
um... yah. How old were you when you bought it, 9?
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TonyGen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| McHale wrote: | | TonyGen wrote: | | The marketing people certainly did a good job on me and quite a few others. |
um... yah. How old were you when you bought it, 9?
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Wow, comic genius alert...... 
BTW can't help noticing you are on the Oasys forum a heckuva lot. Dont tell me that the Kronos keyboard action is getting you down.......
No wonder it's cheaper than an Oasys..... 
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McHale
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| TonyGen wrote: | | BTW can't help noticing you are on the Oasys forum a heckuva lot. Dont tell me that the Kronos keyboard action is getting you down....... |
Not at all, in fact, the RH3 rocks on the two new Piano-based engines the Kronos has. I'm surprised the OASYS didn't get them. Someone should start a few dozen posts about how ripped off every OASYS owner (in the eyes of 3 or 4 people) feels.
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TonyGen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| McHale wrote: | | TonyGen wrote: | | BTW can't help noticing you are on the Oasys forum a heckuva lot. Dont tell me that the Kronos keyboard action is getting you down....... |
Not at all, in fact, the RH3 rocks on the two new Piano-based engines the Kronos has. I'm surprised the OASYS didn't get them. Someone should start a few dozen posts about how ripped off every OASYS owner (in the eyes of 3 or 4 people) feels. |
Here's another one for ya......anyone know of a good mother keyboard to midi up to the Kronos 
And of course we can't blame Korg for the poor build quality. After all they are in business to make a profit (apparently).
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