Saving and reloading- Where did my Japanese Grand go??

[ronnfigg]

here is the situation-
-Boot up to the preload default (rather long1)
- Make numerous changes to programs, combis, etc.
- Write said Progs, Combis, globals
- Go to disk, create new directory, do "Save All" and name file same as directory.
Turn off Kronos- wait 30 seconds.
- Do default reboot (rather long1)
- Go to disk mode
-Open my custom directory
-"Load Selected"- check boxes for "KSC & KGE too"
- hit OK
- After the load the Japanese Bright Grand isn't there.
WHY?!?!?!?!

[danatkorg]

here is the situation-
-Boot up to the preload default (rather long1)
- Make numerous changes to programs, combis, etc.
- Write said Progs, Combis, globals
- Go to disk, create new directory, do "Save All" and name file same as directory.
Turn off Kronos- wait 30 seconds.
- Do default reboot (rather long1)
- Go to disk mode
-Open my custom directory
-"Load Selected"- check boxes for "KSC & KGE too"
- hit OK
- After the load the Japanese Bright Grand isn't there.
WHY?!?!?!?!

In the current software, Save KSC saves only references to RAM samples - not EXs. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. The solution is to re-load the factory KSC file. If you aren't making changes to the Multisamples/Samples/Drum Samples, you don't need to save (or load) the KSC at all.

Hope this helps,

Dan

[ronnfigg]

I think I understand. I am doing a standard factory boot and making changes to Progs to use in custom Combi's. I have saved the Progs to existing Prog banks. I would have liked to keep all of the Factory Pre-Load intact for future reference. I know I can reload the Factory settings from the included CDs, but then my Custom Progs would be gone. I work with a lot of different bands and on my Triton Studio I could save an entire configuration to disk and call them all up by loading the files. So this can't be done on the Kronos? What purpose would the Save All have? It appears the Kronos knows to load all the data when doing an Initial Boot. Can't I duplicate that with my own configuration files.

[danatkorg]

I think I understand.I am doing a standard factory boot and making changes to Progs to use in custom Combi's. I have saved the Progs to existing Prog banks. I would have liked to keep all of the Factory Pre-Load intact for future reference. I know I can reload the Factory settings from the included CDs, but then my Custom Progs would be gone. I work with a lot of different bands and on my Triton Studio I could save an entire configuration to disk and call them all up by loading the files. So this can't be done on the Kronos?

Yes, it can, similar to the Triton.

Here's an important point: if you are making changes only to Programs and Combis, you don't need to save a KSC file at all, only a PCG file. KSC files only deal with sample data, not with Programs, Combis, etc.

It might be helpful to read the relevant sections of the manuals for more information.

What purpose would the Save All have?

I'm sorry to have been unclear in my previous message. This is a problem with the current software's implementation of Save All. The only issue is with KSC files, in which only RAM references are stored - not EXs references. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. For now, to save a KSC file with both RAM and EXs references, use the Save Sample Data command. Also - note that saving and loading are discrete. Even if a PCG file has a matching KSC file, you don't have to load them together.

Hope this helps,

Dan

[ronnfigg]

I think I understand.I am doing a standard factory boot and making changes to Progs to use in custom Combi's. I have saved the Progs to existing Prog banks. I would have liked to keep all of the Factory Pre-Load intact for future reference. I know I can reload the Factory settings from the included CDs, but then my Custom Progs would be gone. I work with a lot of different bands and on my Triton Studio I could save an entire configuration to disk and call them all up by loading the files. So this can't be done on the Kronos?

Yes, it can, similar to the Triton.

Here's an important point: if you are making changes only to Programs and Combis, you don't need to save a KSC file at all, only a PCG file. KSC files only deal with sample data, not with Programs, Combis, etc.

It might be helpful to read the relevant sections of the manuals for more information.

What purpose would the Save All have?

I'm sorry to have been unclear in my previous message. This is a problem with the current software's implementation of Save All. The only issue is with KSC files, in which only RAM references are stored - not EXs references. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. For now, to save a KSC file with both RAM and EXs references, use the Save Sample Data command. Also - note that saving and loading are discrete. Even if a PCG file has a matching KSC file, you don't have to load them together.

Hope this helps,

Dan

Thanks for the help. I am able to get the Kronos to do what I need now. One point- the Japanese Grand appears to come from the "extras" folder in the "factory" folder and it is a KSC file.

[danatkorg]

Thanks for the help. I am able to get the Kronos to do what I need now. One point- the Japanese Grand appears to come from the "extras" folder in the "factory" folder and it is a KSC file.

You're correct that all of the EXs are available in separate KSC files in the "extras" folder. However, all of the preload, including the Japanese Grand, is also in the main "PRELOAD.KSC" file. You can confirm this by browsing through the PRELOAD.KSC file in Disk mode. As a corollary, take a look at the KSC Auto-Load page - in which, from the factory, only PRELOAD.KSC is present. Multiple KSC files can refer to the same sample data.

Hope this helps,

Dan

[ronnfigg]

Thanks for the help. I am able to get the Kronos to do what I need now. One point- the Japanese Grand appears to come from the "extras" folder in the "factory" folder and it is a KSC file.

You're correct that all of the EXs are available in separate KSC files in the "extras" folder. However, all of the preload, including the Japanese Grand, is also in the main "PRELOAD.KSC" file. You can confirm this by browsing through the PRELOAD.KSC file in Disk mode. As a corollary, take a look at the KSC Auto-Load page - in which, from the factory, only PRELOAD.KSC is present. Multiple KSC files can refer to the same sample data.

Hope this helps,

Dan

Again, thanks for all of your help. It is great to see Korg backing up the Kronos community. Some of us are gonna need it! My last Korg was a Triton Studio, so I missed the M3 and it's addition of the KARMA engine. Can you point me to some info on getting my head around the whole KARMA thing. The manual is a good operating resource, but I need a more fundamental approach to undersatnding what is going on in there. Not at the nuts and bolts level, matbe a step up from that.
So far, I give the Kronos a 10 out of 10. I haven't seen any problems and the porgramming is so intense and in depth, I wonder if there is enough time left in my life to get to it all

[Jon Lord]

Thanks for the help. I am able to get the Kronos to do what I need now. One point- the Japanese Grand appears to come from the "extras" folder in the "factory" folder and it is a KSC file.

You're correct that all of the EXs are available in separate KSC files in the "extras" folder. However, all of the preload, including the Japanese Grand, is also in the main "PRELOAD.KSC" file. You can confirm this by browsing through the PRELOAD.KSC file in Disk mode. As a corollary, take a look at the KSC Auto-Load page - in which, from the factory, only PRELOAD.KSC is present. Multiple KSC files can refer to the same sample data.

Hope this helps,

Dan

If same sample data is refered in multiple preload files, is the system smart enought to not to load them twice?

[danatkorg]

Thanks for the help. I am able to get the Kronos to do what I need now. One point- the Japanese Grand appears to come from the "extras" folder in the "factory" folder and it is a KSC file.

You're correct that all of the EXs are available in separate KSC files in the "extras" folder. However, all of the preload, including the Japanese Grand, is also in the main "PRELOAD.KSC" file. You can confirm this by browsing through the PRELOAD.KSC file in Disk mode. As a corollary, take a look at the KSC Auto-Load page - in which, from the factory, only PRELOAD.KSC is present. Multiple KSC files can refer to the same sample data.

Hope this helps,

Dan

If same sample data is refered in multiple preload files, is the system smart enought to not to load them twice?

For EXs data, yes. You can see this yourself on the Sample Management page.

- Dan

[danatkorg]

Again, thanks for all of your help. It is great to see Korg backing up the Kronos community. Some of us are gonna need it! My last Korg was a Triton Studio, so I missed the M3 and it's addition of the KARMA engine. Can you point me to some info on getting my head around the whole KARMA thing. The manual is a good operating resource, but I need a more fundamental approach to undersatnding what is going on in there. Not at the nuts and bolts level, matbe a step up from that.

I'd start with the Operation Guide's "Using KARMA" chapter, which has some reasonable overview information. (The Parameter Guide's information is more about using individual parameters - that's a general difference between the two manuals.) After that, Stephen Kay's KARMA forums may be a good resource.

- Dan