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Bruce Lychee
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[quote="burningbusch"][quote="carmol"] | burningbusch wrote: | | carmol wrote: | | aron wrote: | > I owned the CP-1 and tested it and as I recall it does not have SR.
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Yes cp1 have it,
you can check the DPBSD project,
on pianoworld forum.
Anyway, I discovered and appreciated
string resonance from GEM drake-based
digital pianos, years ago.
Hope that I will not miss it too much  |
Fair enough. I did check out my N3 with headphones cranked and it has it. Haven't heard it until now.
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I had the CP1.... I'm pretty sure it only did damper sympathetic resonance like the Kronos.
I believe the N3 has very subtle key sympathetic resonance. Very few keyboards have key sympathetic resonance. I do not believe most of those previously listed above do. The V piano and SN pianos have it, but I believe that is because they rely on modeling which enables them to model harmonics. The older Roland pianos did not support key sympathetic resonance. Only damper or pedal sympathetic resonance.
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burningbusch
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce Lychee wrote: |
I believe the N3 has very subtle key sympathetic resonance. Very few keyboards have key sympathetic resonance. I do not believe most of those previously listed above do. The V piano and SN pianos have it, but I believe that is because they rely on modeling which enables them to model harmonics. The older Roland pianos did not support key sympathetic resonance. Only damper or pedal sympathetic resonance. |
Bruce, Rolands did starting with the RD700SX. Here's a quote from the manual:
"When the keys are pressed on an acoustic piano, the strings for keys
that are already pressed also vibrate sympathetically. The function
used to reproduce is called “String Resonance.”
And you can adjust the intensity of this effect.
There is also damper resonance which Roland refers to as Sympathetic Resonance. Very confusing.
So it has been in the piano engine with the RD700SX and later and I believe the RD300GX and later, plus the FP equivalents.
That DPBSD project is VERY cool. Thanks for that. I haven't run into any surprises as the data backs up what I've been hearing in these pianos. Interesting, that while both the N3 and RD300GX (both of which I own) do have key sympathetic resonance, it comes up as "something going on" but not really audible--exactly my perception.
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Bruce Lychee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| burningbusch wrote: | | Bruce Lychee wrote: |
I believe the N3 has very subtle key sympathetic resonance. Very few keyboards have key sympathetic resonance. I do not believe most of those previously listed above do. The V piano and SN pianos have it, but I believe that is because they rely on modeling which enables them to model harmonics. The older Roland pianos did not support key sympathetic resonance. Only damper or pedal sympathetic resonance. |
Bruce, Rolands did starting with the RD700SX. Here's a quote from the manual:
"When the keys are pressed on an acoustic piano, the strings for keys
that are already pressed also vibrate sympathetically. The function
used to reproduce is called “String Resonance.”
And you can adjust the intensity of this effect.
There is also damper resonance which Roland refers to as Sympathetic Resonance. Very confusing.
So it has been in the piano engine with the RD700SX and later and I believe the RD300GX and later, plus the FP equivalents.
That DPBSD project is VERY cool. Thanks for that. I haven't run into any surprises as the data backs up what I've been hearing in these pianos. Interesting, that while both the N3 and RD300GX (both of which I own) do have key sympathetic resonance, it comes up as "something going on" but not really audible--exactly my perception.
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I'm not sure if the 700SX really had key sympathetic resonance, though it did have pedal sympathetic resonance (i.e. damper resonance). I never actually tested it but I do know there older boards like the 307 didn't have it as shown on the DPBSD tests. The definition they provide is a little unclear and doesn't seem to reflect the harmonics generated by key sympathetic resonance. It sounds like they were talking about damper resonance but not in a precise way. Starting with the SN pianos and V they used modeling to implement the effect of key sympathetic resonance.
In any case, I think it is a nice feature but hardly a deal breaker for a live board, especially given how few boards actually have it. I do think playing a Shigeru all the time has me a little more sensitive to it.
Yes the project is very cool and a nice objective look at some of the technical aspects of digital pianos. The Kronos pianos did very well on the objective measurements, which did not surprise me at all.
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burningbusch
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I've owned the RD700, RD700SX, RD300SX and RD300GX. The RD700SX definitely has it as does the RD300GX. It's in the One Touch parameters. I've tested it on both these DPs
Damper Resonance is a separate parameter and the manual states:
"You can adjust this resonance when the damper pedal is depressed.
On an acoustic piano, holding down the damper pedal will allow the
remaining strings to resonate in sympathy with the sounds that you
played from the keyboard, adding a rich resonance. This feature
reproduces that resonance sound."
Page 74 for Key Sympathetic Resonance (String Resonance) and 75 for Damper Resonance.
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Bruce Lychee
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| burningbusch wrote: | I've owned the RD700, RD700SX, RD300SX and RD300GX. The RD700SX definitely has it as does the RD300GX. It's in the One Touch parameters. I've tested it on both these DPs
Damper Resonance is a separate parameter and the manual states:
"You can adjust this resonance when the damper pedal is depressed.
On an acoustic piano, holding down the damper pedal will allow the
remaining strings to resonate in sympathy with the sounds that you
played from the keyboard, adding a rich resonance. This feature
reproduces that resonance sound."
Page 74 for Key Sympathetic Resonance (String Resonance) and 75 for Damper Resonance.
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Cool. I never knew that. I owned the 700SX for a month but had traded it in for the Fantom G, which was a mistake.
I wonder how different the key sympathetic resonance on the 700SX is from the SN pianos given the different underlying approach, the different results in the DPBSD tests and the significantly different quality in sounds?
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