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martygras Junior Member
Joined: 22 Jun 2011 Posts: 84 Location: Southern Oregon USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: Old snare stand (not so good) |
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I've been using an old snare stand for the last few days and noticed that the stand itself is triggering the Wavedrum.
Every hit causes a bunch of tiny rattles that are created by the loose joints on the snare stand.
For live situations I occasionally use a Yamaha drum cage which can clamp just the basket of the snare stand and also mounts for the Handsonics and iPad.
I'll probably get the recommended stand when I can afford it, but would welcome any alternative ideas as well.
BTW You guys rock! Thanks for all the help on this forum.
Marty |
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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I us an old Ludwig when I want higher and a new Gibraltar when I want lower. I would love a high end Gibraltar snare cage I could move between the heavy cymbal stand or snare stand. |
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martygras Junior Member
Joined: 22 Jun 2011 Posts: 84 Location: Southern Oregon USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I've always trusted Ludwig stands for good quality. Gibraltar can be a bit expensive, but probably worth it.
Yes, the stand needs to be as sturdy as possible to handle the pounding.
I have been playing conga for years and have never had to hit it as hard as I have to hit the Wavedrum to trigger the layered sounds with a high threshold setting. Is that normal??? |
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Mine takes a bit of effort for some stuff but man does it take a beating when the kids Play it! Well I get carried away also! |
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WaveDrummer Full Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2011 Posts: 217 Location: Connecticut, USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Snare stands:
I've always been a big fan of the top-of-the-line Yamaha snare stands. Not only are they sturdy but, just as importantly, they have a swivel-ball for angle adjustment. This is particularly useful for positioning the Wavedrum at the exact angle you want. They used to make a 4-arm snare stand—which makes it easy to keep the cradle out of the way of the output jack panel—but I don't see that one on their website any longer.
Pearl makes some nice stands with the swivel adjustment (actually, all of them except the 7-series), and Mapex is another company that offers the swivel-ball in not just their highest-end 9-series, but also their mid-line stand: the S-750A. I use that one as well sometimes.
As to getting at those layered sounds:
Yes, it can be difficult on some programs to excite all the different voices if you're only playing with hands. What I find to be the most effective is using one stick and one hand—that way I can access all the pitch-bending with one hand and all the dynamics with a stick or mallet in the other.
I realize that for some of the more conventional sounds—djembe, conga, etc—you will probably prefer to use just hands, but for the layered sounds, especially some of the special-effects sounds, using a stick/mallet will make all the difference in the world. |
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PianoManChuck Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Posts: 832 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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WaveDrummer wrote: | Snare stands:
I've always been a big fan of the top-of-the-line Yamaha snare stands. Not only are they sturdy but, just as importantly, they have a swivel-ball for angle adjustment. This is particularly useful for positioning the Wavedrum at the exact angle you want. They used to make a 4-arm snare stand—which makes it easy to keep the cradle out of the way of the output jack panel—but I don't see that one on their website any longer.
Pearl makes some nice stands with the swivel adjustment (actually, all of them except the 7-series), and Mapex is another company that offers the swivel-ball in not just their highest-end 9-series, but also their mid-line stand: the S-750A. I use that one as well sometimes.
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I'm using a Gibraltar 7606EX which also has the swivel-ball for adjustment. This stand is sturdy, very adjustable, has extended height, and its really spoiled me |
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:27 am Post subject: |
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The 5000 series Gibraltar stands I have do not have the swivel ball and it is a pain. The Ludwig does but it is so worn it is a bit floppy in spots. I'm going to look into a swivel ball from Gibraltar! |
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WaveDrummer Full Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2011 Posts: 217 Location: Connecticut, USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:38 am Post subject: |
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PianoManChuck wrote: | I'm using a Gibraltar 7606EX... |
Yeah, that's one of the best options for standing height. I've used that one too! |
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martygras Junior Member
Joined: 22 Jun 2011 Posts: 84 Location: Southern Oregon USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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After playing for a while my wrists seemed a bit sore. I tried adjusting the stand to angle the drum away from me and I love it this way. Very similar to tabla orientation.
It looks strange, but it maybe better that the audience gets to see more action.
I always sit at my conga (which sits on the floor) so it's at the right height already, and my wrists never get tired. |
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WaveDrummer Full Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2011 Posts: 217 Location: Connecticut, USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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martygras wrote: | After playing for a while my wrists seemed a bit sore. I tried adjusting the stand to angle the drum away from me and I love it this way. Very similar to tabla orientation.
It looks strange, but it maybe better that the audience gets to see more action. |
I often setup the Wavedrum with a slight angle away from me, especially when using two of them. It's always a good idea to go with the most ergonomic, comfortable position. Don't worry about how it looks, most people are fascinated by the Wavedrum however it's setup.
Here's a good example of setting them up for comfortable playing.
Efrain Toro at the NAMM show in 2010:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZHyTjl8IyA |
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Dog gone it I was over my desire for two WD's now I want another again. |
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martygras Junior Member
Joined: 22 Jun 2011 Posts: 84 Location: Southern Oregon USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Resistance is futile. |
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Slabwax
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 45
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Just do it two is twice as much as fun as one. I've just started using my second one and I'm loving it. |
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:09 am Post subject: |
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Wavedrummer is the reason I bought the first one, then he was hte reason I got some mallets and more sticks then brushes, now another wavedrum. I am trying to wait for the next version. I expect/ hope for some true innovation. Now Freestok and WaterDrum have me all wrpped up in modding, a losing battle there for a guitar player amp builder anyway. You guys are a bad influence! hahhaaha
When my wife asks why, I just blame you all! |
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Slabwax
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 45
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Bertotti wrote: |
When my wife asks why, I just blame you all! |
By all means give her my e-mail I'm so used to deflecting the whole I've spent too much money on gear thing. You should see me dance
Slabwax |
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