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EXer Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 558 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: A |
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Zeroesque wrote: | "The sanders have pictures of naked women in the room because when they touch the piano they want her to feel like a woman's body." - Tori Amos, on the Bosendorfer technicians. |
What? Pictures? How do they know when the piano feels right if they don't have real women for a direct 'hands-on' comparison? |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:34 am Post subject: Re: A |
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EXer wrote: | Zeroesque wrote: | "The sanders have pictures of naked women in the room because when they touch the piano they want her to feel like a woman's body." - Tori Amos, on the Bosendorfer technicians. |
What? Pictures? How do they know when the piano feels right if they don't have real women for a direct 'hands-on' comparison? |
Would it improve my playing style if I put some pics of Jordan Rudess or Rick Wakeman to the wall? _________________
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PianoManChuck Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Posts: 832 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:38 am Post subject: Re: A |
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michelkeijzers wrote: | Would it improve my playing style if I put some pics of Jordan Rudess or Rick Wakeman to the wall? |
It might... its a psychological thing. If you have a picture of some well-known pianist on the wall, along with the knowledge of how they sound to you... it might just do that for you!
For me, I could put a picture of Keith Emerson on the wall (my fav) and it would do nothing for me... but sitting down at that Bosendorfer Imperial 290 did more for me than I could ever have imagined! |
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jeebustrain Platinum Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2011 Posts: 1284 Location: In a Roger Dean painting
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:47 am Post subject: Re: A |
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PianoManChuck wrote: | michelkeijzers wrote: | Would it improve my playing style if I put some pics of Jordan Rudess or Rick Wakeman to the wall? |
It might... its a psychological thing. If you have a picture of some well-known pianist on the wall, along with the knowledge of how they sound to you... it might just do that for you!
For me, I could put a picture of Keith Emerson on the wall (my fav) and it would do nothing for me... but sitting down at that Bosendorfer Imperial 290 did more for me than I could ever have imagined! |
Whether it actually works or not is anyone's guess, but I've been trying this approach for almost 20 years now. I've had this poster in the music room (or bedroom) of every place I've lived since I was 15 - just hoping that it would inspire me to greatness (note the rippped corners and discoloration from the different types of tape used over the years)
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PianoManChuck Platinum Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:22 am Post subject: Re: A |
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jeebustrain wrote: | PianoManChuck wrote: | michelkeijzers wrote: | Would it improve my playing style if I put some pics of Jordan Rudess or Rick Wakeman to the wall? |
It might... its a psychological thing. If you have a picture of some well-known pianist on the wall, along with the knowledge of how they sound to you... it might just do that for you!
For me, I could put a picture of Keith Emerson on the wall (my fav) and it would do nothing for me... but sitting down at that Bosendorfer Imperial 290 did more for me than I could ever have imagined! |
Whether it actually works or not is anyone's guess, but I've been trying this approach for almost 20 years now. I've had this poster in the music room (or bedroom) of every place I've lived since I was 15 - just hoping that it would inspire me to greatness (note the rippped corners and discoloration from the different types of tape used over the years)
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Ah... Frank Zappa on the "think tank" Inspiration at its finest!!!
I remember once hearing in one of his interviews that he actually hated the music he did but he loved classical music... he just did what he did 'cuz there was no money in classical! A shame, but he's probably right. |
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Ernie Applelips Junior Member
Joined: 06 Oct 2011 Posts: 50 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:03 am Post subject: Re: A |
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PianoManChuck wrote: | I remember once hearing in one of his interviews that he actually hated the music he did but he loved classical music... he just did what he did 'cuz there was no money in classical! A shame, but he's probably right. |
Interesting quote. I remember feeling quite angry when listening to Only In it For The Money, because it sounded to me just that. Very clever but ultimately he was just sticking two fingers up at us. |
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DennyC Platinum Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: A |
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Ernie Applelips wrote: | PianoManChuck wrote: | I remember once hearing in one of his interviews that he actually hated the music he did but he loved classical music... he just did what he did 'cuz there was no money in classical! A shame, but he's probably right. |
Interesting quote. I remember feeling quite angry when listening to Only In it For The Money, because it sounded to me just that. Very clever but ultimately he was just sticking two fingers up at us. |
You guys are both correct. _________________ Kronos 2 61, Wavestation A/D, Yamaha Genos and others. |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: A |
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PianoManChuck wrote: | michelkeijzers wrote: | Would it improve my playing style if I put some pics of Jordan Rudess or Rick Wakeman to the wall? |
It might... its a psychological thing. If you have a picture of some well-known pianist on the wall, along with the knowledge of how they sound to you... it might just do that for you!
For me, I could put a picture of Keith Emerson on the wall (my fav) and it would do nothing for me... but sitting down at that Bosendorfer Imperial 290 did more for me than I could ever have imagined! |
Of course ... I didn't mean to say something negative about that.
When I play a Kronos I play more and also I can use more expression so I can imagine if you really play a Bosendorfer it must be very special.
What I meant to say was, some people buy new gear and think only because of the new gear they play better. I think: you only play better if your (playing) capabilities belong better to the new instrument. If you cannot play at all, it's no use buying a Kronos (except you like the instrument so much, you like to play more often). _________________
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PianoManChuck Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Posts: 832 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: A |
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michelkeijzers wrote: | I think: you only play better if your (playing) capabilities belong better to the new instrument. |
That was my experience! Just my luck, huh? Champagne taste on a beer budget ... worse yet, stellar performance only on top end equipment |
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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$210k for a piano and no "Jump" preset?
psh... |
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PianoManChuck Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Posts: 832 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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PinkFloydDudi wrote: | $210k for a piano and no "Jump" preset?
psh... |
Well, you don't have to actually buy it... the place I went to leases it out for a cool $1,500 per night (includes delivery and reposession). |
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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PianoManChuck wrote: | PinkFloydDudi wrote: | $210k for a piano and no "Jump" preset?
psh... |
Well, you don't have to actually buy it... the place I went to leases it out for a cool $1,500 per night (includes delivery and reposession). |
Still can't play "Jump" on it though! |
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PianoManChuck Platinum Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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PinkFloydDudi wrote: | PianoManChuck wrote: | PinkFloydDudi wrote: | $210k for a piano and no "Jump" preset?
psh... |
Well, you don't have to actually buy it... the place I went to leases it out for a cool $1,500 per night (includes delivery and reposession). |
Still can't play "Jump" on it though! | |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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I paid some years ago E 2000 for only hammond sounds and now I got almost the same hammond in the Kronos. One of 9 engines that makes one engine cost about E 3000 / 9 = 330 euro.
Piano engine: 330 euro ... I hope the Bosendorfer sounds better for 210.000$ ... it better be. _________________
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Dave Ferris
Joined: 09 Jul 2010 Posts: 45 Location: Glendale, Ca.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Bosendorfer Pianos |
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PianoManChuck wrote: | I just went to a large piano store to help a friend purchase a piano. Whilst there, I couldn't help but notice their Bosendorfer pianos. I tried the Imperial 290 ($211,000)... and I sure wish I didn't. No piano in the world even comes close
I could have played that piano all day and found it difficult to take a bathroom break... it was that good!
So I'm hoping that Korg's forthcoming "Austrian Piano" library for the Kronos is going to sound something like that piano. I''m very impressed with the "German Grand" (Steinway) on the Kronos, but that Bosendorfer is going to be something else! |
You must've went into Keyboard Concepts. Dennis Haggerty, the owner is a long time friend. I bought my Yamaha S6 him from back in '97. Their new digs are cool, they moved across the street there on Van Nuys and Burbank. I went in there a few weeks ago to say hello.
I played the 290 it was spectacular of course but I actually preferred the 225 they had there...might have been prepped better. The 225 was something like 165K !! Heck at those prices give me a couple-one for my game room and one for my living room.
Gigs have been a little slow lately so I guess Ill be forced to keep slumming with my pos Steinway D in my studio ...
Fwiw the LA Fazioli dealer is Pierre Julia at Pierre's Fine Pianos down on Pico just west of Sepulveda & the 405. You might play the 183 at his store but because of the high Euro and the economy Pierre doesn't stock any new floor models at this time. He owns a 278 that he rents out to Herbie, the LA Opera and other concert venues or recording studios. The price on Faziolis has gone so high no one but the super rich could afford the 7'+ models at this time. _________________ http://soundcloud.com/dave-ferris
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