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Synthoid Platinum Member

Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 2919 Location: PA, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: What's new with the Radias? |
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We don't see as many Radias posts anymore... yeah, it's been around quite awhile and was discontinued.
I've had mine for a couple years now, but only recently started really digging into programming it. I printed out the current thread of "tips and tricks," but hope a few owners here will drop in and share something new and interesting they've discovered over the years.
 _________________ M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion (For Sale) |
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tpantano Platinum Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Posts: 1361
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: What's new with the Radias? |
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| Synthoid wrote: | We don't see as many Radias posts anymore... yeah, it's been around quite awhile and was discontinued.
I've had mine for a couple years now, but only recently started really digging into programming it. I printed out the current thread of "tips and tricks," but hope a few owners here will drop in and share something new and interesting they've discovered over the years.
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I'd really love to see making modern 'dirty' music- electro, dubstep, dirty DnB etc- using the Radias's formant and FM/VPM features. I feel that they really aren't explored enough except for vocoding and EPs/rhodes/etc; but the Radias has so much potential for making music of the type while retaining a standard subtractive synth feel that synths like Razor or Massive lack.
I personally need to use my R3 more D: It's just a pain to work with cables and live audio, especially considering how the R3 only has two timbres. _________________ Korg R3 | Korg iMS-20 | Korg iElectribe | Roland Gaia SH-01 | Moog Slim Phatty | NI Maschine Mikro | NI Razor | Logic Pro 9
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CharlesFerraro Senior Member

Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 425 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:08 am Post subject: |
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I find Cross (FM) modulation is good for designing transients when making drum sounds. The initial attack of 'unpitched membranophones' have densely packed higher harmonics with general noise in the signal. FM or AM(ring) produce a lot of sideband information from the fundamental that is mathematically related to what comprises the sound (as opposed to using a general noise osc). The depth of FM can be controlled via an envelope so you can fashion some realistic hits.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Feb02/articles/synthsecrets0202.asp
I view VPM as FM with an extra oscillator. The sine wave used to modulate operator one is harmonically related. For instance if control 2 of VPM is set to the 2nd harmonic its the same as using Cross Mod with Osc2 set to sine at +12 semitones. This frees up Osc2 to be used as a sub oscillator or whatever you want to do with it. I made this sound while doing that: http://soundcloud.com/wolf-ray/vpm-robot-example
I was thinking about uploaded some RADIAS tutorials like how to make a 'ducked' delay effect, or how to internally route multiband parallel compression on one of the factory drum loops to say, add punch to the snare (so you don't have to edit the kit). maybe i'll do that tomorrow. I just don't want to become one of those tutorial people like ryan enzed or something _________________ Computer: HackBook Pro 13" 2.66GHz Core2Duo, 8g RAM, 120gSSD+320gHD, SnowLeopard 10.6.8
Software: Cubase 6.5.4, Kore/Kontakt players, Alchemy player, KARMA M3 Software
Modules/Synths/Keys: EHX VoiceBox, Korg RADIAS, M3-M(all EXBs), Akai MPK61
Racks: Tascam TA-1VP, Behringer ADA8000, RME Fireface 800
Speakers: Blue Sky MediaDesk MKII 5.1, Mackie HR624 MK2(x5) with Tannoy TS10 |
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X-Trade Moderator

Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 5977 Location: Reading, UK
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I've been having too much fun with my MS2000B.
Hope to get back into the Radias and share some tips. I've also filled up all of the banks with my own programs so nowhere to save new experiments
This has actually happened four or five times but I don't have the editor software installed at the moment.
Also plan on perhaps doing a comparison with the MS2kB and porting some of the more interesting patches over. _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, Karma, RADIAS-R, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II, Novation ReMote37SL, Akai APC20, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2.
Past Gear: Korg TR61, Poly800, EA-1, Kawai K1
Software: Cubase Studio 4, NI Reaktor 5, FM8, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX(10.8.3 Mountain Lion) on 15" MacBook Pro |
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Synthoid Platinum Member

Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 2919 Location: PA, USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| CharlesFerraro wrote: | | I was thinking about uploaded some RADIAS tutorials like how to make a 'ducked' delay effect |
 _________________ M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion (For Sale) |
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CharlesFerraro Senior Member

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:40 am Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkPgzJS6Wb4&feature=youtu.be _________________ Computer: HackBook Pro 13" 2.66GHz Core2Duo, 8g RAM, 120gSSD+320gHD, SnowLeopard 10.6.8
Software: Cubase 6.5.4, Kore/Kontakt players, Alchemy player, KARMA M3 Software
Modules/Synths/Keys: EHX VoiceBox, Korg RADIAS, M3-M(all EXBs), Akai MPK61
Racks: Tascam TA-1VP, Behringer ADA8000, RME Fireface 800
Speakers: Blue Sky MediaDesk MKII 5.1, Mackie HR624 MK2(x5) with Tannoy TS10 |
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thehighesttree Senior Member
Joined: 18 Nov 2011 Posts: 391 Location: Canada East
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'm of the same opinion as tpantano and I've been trying to craft a good formant performance patch that thickens up with the modwheel, but I tend to get sidetracked during the workflow and lose the tack I was going with. I think discussion like this is a good way of establishing a direction.
Lately on my R3 I've been headed more in the direction of "moving" patches, using the LFOs with a flat EG for trance pads but with limited satisfaction in the results. The sound I'm trying to make is basically a patch that soars from basic hum into a high-pitched crescendo sweep with the mod wheel. So far my best results seem to be from a cross-modded saw(?)-sine combo with diffierent waveshaping, but I also want to be able to kick a variable-rate LFO into it for max power. At my current level of expertise I'm having some trouble wrapping my head around all the patch routing though, so it's slow going.
What kinds of sounds are other people currently trying to get out of your R3/Radiases?[/b] |
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Synthoid Platinum Member

Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 2919 Location: PA, USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| thehighesttree wrote: | | What kinds of sounds are other people currently trying to get out of your R3/Radiases? |
I've started treating the Radias like a vintage analog synth with no preset memory. Basically, I dial up a patch and then completely take it apart until the sounds, arps & sequences are working for me. Then I'll create an ambient song with the result. I guess I should record my efforts because they are starting to sound great.
I occasionally save the edited results, but more often just start a new "session". It's more spontaneous that way and keeps the creative juices flowing.
Just loving this keyboard more and more! _________________ M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion (For Sale) |
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Mutiny in Jonestown

Joined: 10 Jan 2012 Posts: 36 Location: Campbell, CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: Tangerine Dreaming |
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| Synthoid wrote: | | thehighesttree wrote: | | What kinds of sounds are other people currently trying to get out of your R3/Radiases? |
I've started treating the Radias like a vintage analog synth with no preset memory. Basically, I dial up a patch and then completely take it apart until the sounds, arps & sequences are working for me. Then I'll create an ambient song with the result. I guess I should record my efforts because they are starting to sound great.
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A very cool idea! I had a Waldorf Q a few years ago and did a similar thing. I'd twiddle the knobs till I had a cool patch and record a minute or so of it. Then I'd play back the song, twiddle some more and create a 2nd patch which was complimentary to the first and record it from about the middle of the 1st part to a minute after. Then I'd do the same thing with a 3rd patch, etc. Each new patch leapfrogging the existing song to about a minute after. The idea was to simulate what a band like Tangerine Dream would do with each synthesist listening to what the others were doing and adding a new part to it. It was so much fun I did a whole CD of it and called it "Tangerine Dreaming"  _________________ Current: Motif XF7, Radias, MS2000R, Emu Proteus 1000
Past: Moog Taurus Bass Pedals, Yamaha CP-20, SY22, Hammond M2, Hohner D6 Clavinet, SCI Pro-One, Crumar Trilogy, Cat Octave, Roland JX-3P, D50, D20, D70, AlphaJuno1, V-Synth, JD800, JP8000, C-80 Digital Harpsichord, Ensoniq Fizmo, Nord Modular, Waldorf Q, DSI PolyEvolver, Emu Vintage Keys, Crumar Trilogy |
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X-Trade Moderator

Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 5977 Location: Reading, UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Tangerine Dreaming |
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| Mutiny in Jonestown wrote: | | Synthoid wrote: | | thehighesttree wrote: | | What kinds of sounds are other people currently trying to get out of your R3/Radiases? |
I've started treating the Radias like a vintage analog synth with no preset memory. Basically, I dial up a patch and then completely take it apart until the sounds, arps & sequences are working for me. Then I'll create an ambient song with the result. I guess I should record my efforts because they are starting to sound great.
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A very cool idea! I had a Waldorf Q a few years ago and did a similar thing. I'd twiddle the knobs till I had a cool patch and record a minute or so of it. Then I'd play back the song, twiddle some more and create a 2nd patch which was complimentary to the first and record it from about the middle of the 1st part to a minute after. Then I'd do the same thing with a 3rd patch, etc. Each new patch leapfrogging the existing song to about a minute after. The idea was to simulate what a band like Tangerine Dream would do with each synthesist listening to what the others were doing and adding a new part to it. It was so much fun I did a whole CD of it and called it "Tangerine Dreaming"  |
This is the technique I base most of my own projects off.
Stuff I do with my band is different as we write specific songs and I work with the singer to achieve exactly what we're looking for and it's very thought out.
Taking the complete opposite process for my own stuff is a nice way to do something completely different. _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, Karma, RADIAS-R, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II, Novation ReMote37SL, Akai APC20, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2.
Past Gear: Korg TR61, Poly800, EA-1, Kawai K1
Software: Cubase Studio 4, NI Reaktor 5, FM8, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX(10.8.3 Mountain Lion) on 15" MacBook Pro |
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