Set Lists Missing! Help!

alantunucci · Post by **alantunucci** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:49 pm

Help! Today I turned my Kronos ON and ALL my setlists are initialized! I had about 5 or 6 set lists, and they were crucial for my work! I tried everything; nobody touched my Kronos, yesterday it was fine...

HOW CAN THIS HAPPENS? I have a gig next saturday, and no time to do everything again!

I am totally disappointed with this synth. I can not trust it, and music is my work, I make a living with this. I can't work with an instrument I can't rely.

Anybody can give me a hand? Are my set lists really gone?

aron · Post by **aron** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:53 pm

I admit to being confused as to the exact way the Kronos handles its file structure to this day. I have a basic understanding, but one thing I know, once you have it the way you want - please immediately do a save on the .PCG and make sure everything is checked so you have a backup. Then put that on a USB stick for an extra backup.

The only way I could see all the set lists being initialized is that someone loaded a .PCG. Even the initialize set list command only works on one set list. Did you eve make a backup?

markn · Post by **markn** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:54 pm

Don´t you save your for from time to time on disk an just restore it from there? It is saved within your last .pcg file...

If one works with computers, saving is definitely a must.
Hope you saved, then there is no problem.

aron · Post by **aron** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:56 pm

Unfortunately, I think most people will just use the Write set list command and maybe not the Disk mode save.

cello · Post by **cello** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:00 pm

aron wrote:Unfortunately, I think most people will just use the Write set list command and maybe not the Disk mode save.

I agree - Disk mode is the only practical save option; but it is not the most obvious one.

And as markn says, after every editing session of anything (global, sounds, setlists, etc) back it up (disk mode save) to hard drive, or better hard drive and external drive.

Trust me I learned the hard way (with the OASYS) and am like a paranoid android when it comes to saving stuff. lol

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:03 pm

Sounds like you may have loaded a PCG, which contained set list data.

To be sure what you are loading, you should always browse within a PCG first and perhaps just pick the banks/individual parts you want.
I believe you can also audition sounds from within a PCG file.

markn · Post by **markn** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:06 pm

Each time i work with my K, at the end, before turning it off, i save my pcg's, giving them sequential numbers. i use "save all" only, if i change samples. So i can always recall previous works.
From time to time i delete a couple of older files to save disk space, and backup the latest 3 files on external disk. For live-gigs i carry a usb-stick with me, this contains the 3 latest pcg's from Kronos as well.

So i never loose anything...

hopefully

Dniss · Post by **Dniss** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:07 pm

Had to same thing happening to me but that was before the update.

Normally if you don't save, you should be left with what you started with that last time, minus last changes.

But in my case it wiped out every single setlist, including the one that came with the Kronos.

I noticed lately that one of my .sng file was missing all my latest work. It use to be 10 megs and is now down to 210 k.

The last saved date shows November 2011, which is totally impossible.

Make complete backup people, all is not totally fine yet.

Dniss · Post by **Dniss** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:09 pm

alantunucci wrote:Help! Today I turned my Kronos ON and ALL my setlists are initialized! I had about 5 or 6 set lists, and they were crucial for my work! I tried everything; nobody touched my Kronos, yesterday it was fine...

HOW CAN THIS HAPPENS? I have a gig next saturday, and no time to do everything again!

I am totally disappointed with this synth. I can not trust it, and music is my work, I make a living with this. I can't work with an instrument I can't rely.

Anybody can give me a hand? Are my set lists really gone?

I'm sorry to tell you, but unless you have a backup, you're most prolly toasted.

alantunucci · Post by **alantunucci** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:13 pm

My last backup was made about 20 days ago, and I lost A LOT. I never tought it would happen, my M3 was reliable.

And from what I read, I am not alone...This is a serious problem!

Now I have to do my backup everyday....great....

Dniss · Post by **Dniss** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:18 pm

alantunucci wrote:My last backup was made about 20 days ago, and I lost A LOT. I never tought it would happen, my M3 was reliable.

And from what I read, I am not alone...This is a serious problem!

Now I have to do my backup everyday....great....

If lost several files like this, except in one instance, I could never find what I did wrong.

In the case of my song file, I know that ain't my mistake for sure, and that happened in the last couple weeks.

Make a backup on the SSD, then take the files and copy them to a thumb stick, then take the stick and copy over a pc.

If your work is really important, that is.

MartinHines · Post by **MartinHines** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:26 pm

alantunucci wrote:My last backup was made about 20 days ago, and I lost A LOT. I never tought it would happen, my M3 was reliable.

And from what I read, I am not alone...This is a serious problem!

Now I have to do my backup everyday....great....

The problem may not be the Kronos at all. You may have erased your Set Lists without realizing it.

The Kronos.pcg file now contains Set Lists in addition to Program, Combis, and Global Data.

When you perform a "Write Command" (of anything) you are saving data to internal memory only. That internal memory should be retained between power ups as long as you don't overwrite it.

Did you load any .pcg files? If those .pcg files contained blank set lists, that is how your Set List data was overwritten.

My suggestion would be to peform a "Save .pcg" command daily, unchecking everything EXCEPT Set Lists. Then save that .pcg with a name like "SetList_mmdd.pcg". That would be a method to save your Set List only.

aron · Post by **aron** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:07 pm

Might be time for an auto save option. It backs up the pcg every day in a backup folder.

Endless · Post by **Endless** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:26 pm

I love my Korg M3 but Korg has always had a crazy saving system FOR ME: the first that came in my mind is that I can't save one single program/combi or whatever but I have to save at least one bank...I never understood the poetry behind that.

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:44 pm

We are lucky we can save the bank we want.... it would be too much of a file management mess if you had to save EACH program in a separate file...

Also, feel lucky that the filie management system on KRONOS is much much more flexible than most of other flagship workstations.

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