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NuSkoolTone · Approved Merchant Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 1069

I notice when I convert Akai libraries to .KSC or Soundfont 2, the size of these libraries EXPLODE! Meaning they become HUGE. Example: I have the Symphony of Voices set. The 1st disk becomes 2.5 GB after conversion from a CD that's at most 700 MB. Shocked

It happens on every one I try. Not these exact figures, but how they become so large after conversion.

Is this NORMAL? I don't have a USB CD drive to try loading them directly, but if I did would I see similar results once saved in Korg Format?

If not, how are you keeping the size manageable?

Kinda scratching my head here!

Thanks.
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Sharp · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject:

Hello.
Never try convert AKAI disks using software. Not only will the data explode in size as you saw, you also won't get any filter information or AKAI program data.

The best method is to load the data direct from the CD-ROM directly into the KRONOS using the Advanced AKAI Reading option. If you load the data this way, the file sizes stay true, and you will even see PROG mode populate with the AKAI sounds you loaded, filter information too and all ready to play.

You do not select the actual AKAI Programs to load, you select the folder the AKAI programs are in and load the folder itself.

Once loaded, save the data back to disk in KORG format.

Regards
Sharp.
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NuSkoolTone · Approved Merchant Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 1069

Thanks Sharp. I ordered a drive. Ironically there was a review from a Kronos owner on it! How cool is that?
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SoundsOfPlanet · Approved Merchant Joined: 13 Feb 2012 Posts: 418

Hi

You need to install 1.6 - it only reads properly AKAI CD
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Phabius · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject:

I'm using some Akai libraries with Kronos.
Just converted some sounds from Quantum Leap Brass. Sounds good even those are old libraries!
But for convenience I did all conversions with Chicken Systems Translator, as I use this software for a while now, making conversions for Kontakt, Reason NN-XT, and Korg KSC for my Triton Extreme. As I'm used to do sampling from scratch and I realy like it, I don't care to program the sounds myself after the KSC is in Kronos. Usually they get better, as Kronos is a more flexible instrument than the Akai was. Smile

The size seems to be the same, I've never experienced something like that with Translator.
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Sharp · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject:

Phabius · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:54 am Post subject:

Yeah I think its outdated as well, got it when my Extreme arrived, but it still works... Maybe I was lucky with the disks I've converted. I've noticed some copies of wave files made by Translator though. Maybe I didn't have many problems because I use to convert only what I need at the moment, most single programs. I rarely convert an entire partition at once. As I have to deal with the programs in Extreme/Kronos anyway, what I need in most cases is the sample mapping, and I end up modifying it as well. I don't have an external CD drive to test the conversion directly from Akai disc into Kronos...
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irtehyar · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:38 am Post subject:

Did you make individual sf2 files for each patch, or group them into large sf2 files? If you make eachinto an individual sf2 file it has to copy each reused sample into each file to make it independantly usable. Ive had great luck coverting my akai into sf2 by making logical grouping to limit sample copies. Example: when I converted my Twisted Textures, I made each sonic grouping folder a sf2. The result is a little bigger total, but entirely usable. I imagine with some sample discs such grouping may be much harder.

NuSkoolTone · Approved Merchant Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 1069

Got my new Samsung USB drive, so I loaded and converted my Symphony of Voices set tonight. I have to say, for the most part went VERY smooth! A couple edits needed where it didn't recognize a mono sample (vs. stereo) needed to be used, but overall it was painless. Kept the sample sizes reasonable too, about 400mb of RAM per entire disk. (Please streaming!)

I did notice one bad thing with the Akai import though. Some discs the Kronos couldn't read past the first partition. (JP8000 disc and History of Roland I tried). Before anyone says it's the discs or the drive, I tried the disc in the same drive hooked up to the computer and CDXtract and Awave studio read the partitions NO PROBLEM. So it's a Kronos thing. So please Korg, if you guys could get the Kronos to read Akai partitions better that would really be awesome, because it really DOES make a difference in size and how it ports to the machine which when it works is great.
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NuSkoolTone · Approved Merchant Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 1069

Oh forgot to add (It was late), the size of this SSD really does not cut it. After converting one Akai Library I'm down to 76mb free on the SSD.

So it looks like all the Korg demos I haven't decided on yet are coming off!

Have the feeling I'm going to be doing the SSD and the RAM upgrade in one swap.

It would be SO great if there was a way to stream the Akai libraries to save RAM. Though there's probably only a small percentage that have as many libraries as I do so I can't hold my breath. In addition the only dollar doesn't get made by Korg if I use my own libraries cause that means I'm not buying THEIRS. However if they're really better than what I already have, I will!

It's a shame because I view the Kronos as a sound palette that you can really sculpt to get the sound you want. It's the limits that are tough. Which currently is the ram because the only thing that saves the ram are the official korg libraries. In my opinion, that's a crummy way to get sales because there's no other choice. Not to mention you end up on the sidelines waiting until they come out with the STREAMING library you want. In the meantime, unless you put in a LOT of work, that ram goes FAST.

PLEASE KORG GIVE US USER STREAMING! It's one of the best features of the Kronos! PLEASE give us access to it.
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popmann · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:52 am Post subject:

"unless you do a a lot of work"...which is what sound design has always been.

I don't know--I don't even have most of the old Akai discs anymore. I converted them to Gig and NKI files years ago...but, the simple ones I use (pad types) have a handful of WAVs spread over the board. Both Giga and Kontakt show the mapping and natively store WAV (even though it's a monolith ingiga). So, I put the WAVs for a patch on a thumb drive, loaded to RAM and with Kontakt open for reference, stretched them over the board. Have to say that I have found the Kronos multi sample editing/mapping more intuitive and well thought out than either Giga or Kontakt. Ymmv.

NuSkoolTone · Approved Merchant Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 1069