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[UCG Musician]

Has anyone used a Kronos with a virtual pipe organ application? Hauptwerk seems to be a very good quality product. It uses actual long-sampled sounds (3-10 seconds per pipe for every note on the original instrument) and its sounds are extremely realistic with decent sound reproduction equipment.

If anyone has worked with this application, please advise if you know whether the samples from Hauptwerk instruments could be loaded into the Kronos. If not, how practical is it to generate the organ sounds using the Kronos as a master and the samples on a computer?

Hauptwerk has over 130 instruments that work with it. These are original pipe organs from many countries and range from small chamber instruments to massive organs with thousands of pipes. The sampled instruments are purchased separately and some cost as much as $1500 and have sample files of 10-12 GB.
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[Cpilot]

Never used the Hauptwerk but you've just given me a good idea. I have 128 SF2 pipe organ samples that I used with my Yamaha arranger, so I think I'll try to load them into the Kronos. Thanks for the idea .

Bryan

[UCG Musician]

I registered for the Hauptwerk forum and got a personal reply from the owner of the company that produces the software. I was pretty impressed by that! He did say that the sampled instruments work only with Hauptwerk. However, the Kronos can be MIDI'd to a computer running Hauptwerk and its instruments. And I believe Sonar can treat it as a VST using a MIDI yoke.

This is still a little puzzling to me but it sounds like the Kronos can, for all intents and purposes, drive an actual sampled pipe organ.
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[X-Trade]

Hauptwerk can be controlled by a MIDI keyboard/controller. It is essentially a virtual instrument.
Kronos has a keyboard and MIDI.
I don't see anything more to it than that.

You'd have to run Hauptwerk on a computer, yes. I don't know if you might be able to extract the samples, but there is so much 'real' control elements and noises involved, you'd lose some of that magic that makes Hauptwerk so special.
Might be better off trying to sample it, but of course with so many pipes and combinations, you'll need to use up a fair bit of RAM.
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[darrylwood]

X-Trade is correct.

There are so many controls within Hauptwerk that simply loading some samples into your Kronos is not going to give you what you're looking for.

The more complete reason is that a pipe organ is a lot like an analog synth. Each knob (stop) is a different sound that you add to the whole much like you'd take a basic waveform and add filters to create an overall sound.

In Hauptwerk, each stop is a different sample. So, what you're hearing at full organ are a few hundred to a few thousand samples playing simultaneously. (hence the internal polyphony settings of 6000+ note polyphony)

So, if you don't want to run Hauptwerk as a VST, then you'll need to build up the sound you want and sample the output for each note of the keyboard that you plan to use. Note that doing this will likely only be usable for pad-type sounds or something slow since it won't have the right release samples included in the sample and will sound mushy if you try to play anything too fast.

If you can do it, you're much better to run Hauptwerk as a VST or as the standalone app (if you're not running any other DAW or VSTs) both for ease of use and for authentic results.

Going the computer route will also allow you to use a program change or note on/off message to trigger a patch change (using a piston) should you want to change the sound coming out of Hauptwerk on the fly.

Cheers,

Darryl
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