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simajanpa
Joined: 15 Jul 2011 Posts: 47 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: HardBoard bottom instead of metal?? |
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As a pre-owner of a Kronos 73 or 88 I was reading the different posts about keybed problems, RAM update issues, random rebooting but the biggest disappointment I see with this board is that the bottom is not metal.
I have never seen a pro level keyboard from Korg, Roland or Yamaha, that didn't have one. For a $4k+ board, that just says, let's cut another corner.
If I purchased this keyboard, opened the box, and saw that bottom, I would be pissed that I spent $3800 of my hard earned money for something that, to me anyways, appeared to be cheaply made.
I've owned Korg since the DW8000, and have always loved their sound and build quality. I now own a Triton EX76 and REALLY would like to stay with a Korg product, but I may have to go with a new Motif, plus that would at least give me the option of a 76 key "synth" keybed.
Anyone else feel this way or am I just being silly about the whole thing?
Does any other manufacturer use wooden bottoms on their Pro level boards? |
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Comrad_Durandal Full Member
Joined: 24 Apr 2012 Posts: 166 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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From how it was explained to me - the use of MDF as a baseboard is because heat and humidity (within the operating limits of the device) has little to no effect on the shape and rigidity of the MDF versus other materials - such as metal. MDF, in significant thickness, can be just as strong as a metal baseboard and lighter than if it was made from metal. It also is non-conductive. |
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simajanpa
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Comrad_Durandal wrote: | From how it was explained to me - the use of MDF as a baseboard is because heat and humidity (within the operating limits of the device) has little to no effect on the shape and rigidity of the MDF versus other materials - such as metal. MDF, in significant thickness, can be just as strong as a metal baseboard and lighter than if it was made from metal. It also is non-conductive. |
Point taken.....maybe they should at least paint it black to match, so it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. |
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Dany Senior Member
Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Posts: 352
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: HardBoard bottom instead of metal?? |
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simajanpa wrote: | Does any other manufacturer use wooden bottoms on their Pro level boards? |
Yeah, Yamaha does it on their current 88 Keys flagship workstation Motif XF:
Watch video at 1:45 Min :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wFzXvY-kIg
and as far I know, it's the same with Roland's Fantom-G 88...
Edit: The OASYS-88 is the only 88 Keys flagship I know, which has a metal bottom...
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Davidb Platinum Member
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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simajanpa wrote: |
Point taken.....maybe they should at least paint it black to match, so it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. |
_________________ Regards.
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simajanpa
Joined: 15 Jul 2011 Posts: 47 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: HardBoard bottom instead of metal?? |
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Dany wrote: | simajanpa wrote: | Does any other manufacturer use wooden bottoms on their Pro level boards? |
Yeah, Yamaha does it on their current 88 Keys flagship workstation Motif XF:
Watch video at 1:45 Min :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wFzXvY-kIg
and as far I know, it's the same with Roland's Fantom-G 88...
Edit: The OASYS-88 is the only 88 Keys flagship I know, which has a metal bottom...
I watched the video of the Yammy and it looks exactly like the Kronos,
Is the 61 and 73 key version the same with MDF?
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Dany Senior Member
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: HardBoard bottom instead of metal?? |
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simajanpa wrote: | Dany wrote: | simajanpa wrote: | Does any other manufacturer use wooden bottoms on their Pro level boards? |
Yeah, Yamaha does it on their current 88 Keys flagship workstation Motif XF:
Watch video at 1:45 Min :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wFzXvY-kIg
and as far I know, it's the same with Roland's Fantom-G 88...
Edit: The OASYS-88 is the only 88 Keys flagship I know, which has a metal bottom...
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simajanpa wrote: |
I watched the video of the Yammy and it looks exactly like the Kronos,
Is the 61 and 73 key version the same with MDF? |
I think the other [edit: Yamaha] models have a metal bottom...
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Kontrol49 Platinum Member
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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The SV-1 has the same underside material panel... _________________ --Korg Nautilus~~Korg Modwave--Korg SV-1-Korg Wavestate-- |
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simajanpa
Joined: 15 Jul 2011 Posts: 47 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:14 pm Post subject: 61 & 73 key versions have MDF bottoms? |
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Can someone who owns one of the 61 or 73 key versions of the Kronos tell me if they have an MDF or metal bottoms.
Thanks
Paul |
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Dany Senior Member
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: 61 & 73 key versions have MDF bottoms? |
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simajanpa wrote: | Can someone who owns one of the 61 or 73 key versions of the Kronos tell me if they have an MDF or metal bottoms.
Thanks
Paul |
I don't own a Kronos, but I know that only the Kronos 61 has a metal bottom. The Kronos 73 and 88 have aMDF bottom...
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keekma Full Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2011 Posts: 158 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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My former yamaha s90es had a MDF bottom _________________ Kronos88, M-audio Axiom 61
Former keyboards:
Yamaha s90es, Virus TI snow, Roland xp30, Roland u20, Roland juno 6 |
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danmusician Platinum Member
Joined: 08 Apr 2009 Posts: 875 Location: Southern PA
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: 61 & 73 key versions have MDF bottoms? |
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Dany wrote: | simajanpa wrote: | Can someone who owns one of the 61 or 73 key versions of the Kronos tell me if they have an MDF or metal bottoms.
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Paul |
I don't own a Kronos, but I know that only the Kronos 61 has a metal bottom. The Kronos 73 and 88 have aMDF bottom...
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This is correct.
Further, the Yamaha S80 also has a wood bottom, and that instrument is over a decade old, so this is not a new trend.
I'm not sure painting black would make anyone happy. The paint would scratch pretty easily.
I've NEVER seen anyone perform where I noticed or cared what the bottom of their keyboard looked like. _________________ Kronos 2 88, Kronos Classic 73, PX-5S, Kronos 2 61, Roli Seaboard Rise 49 |
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Dany Senior Member
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: 61 & 73 key versions have MDF bottoms? |
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danmusician wrote: | ...Further, the Yamaha S80 also has a wood bottom, and that instrument is over a decade old, so this is not a new trend... |
Indeed, even my A90ex, Roland's Flagship 88 Keys Master- MIDI-Controller from 1996 (still the best MIDI-Controller available today), has a wooden bottom.
...wooden bottoms everywhere
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simajanpa
Joined: 15 Jul 2011 Posts: 47 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: 61 & 73 key versions have MDF bottoms? |
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danmusician wrote: | Dany wrote: | simajanpa wrote: | Can someone who owns one of the 61 or 73 key versions of the Kronos tell me if they have an MDF or metal bottoms.
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Paul |
I don't own a Kronos, but I know that only the Kronos 61 has a metal bottom. The Kronos 73 and 88 have aMDF bottom...
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This is correct.
Further, the Yamaha S80 also has a wood bottom, and that instrument is over a decade old, so this is not a new trend.
I'm not sure painting black would make anyone happy. The paint would scratch pretty easily.
I've NEVER seen anyone perform where I noticed or cared what the bottom of their keyboard looked like. |
I guess never having owned an 88 fully weighted keyboard has kept me from knowing that this seems to be common practice.
I personally still want a 76 note synth though
Thanks for all the replies.
Paul |
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Francois Approved Merchant
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 4854 Location: Northants - UK
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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My only concern about the base is the fact Korg didn't plan a trap door to access ram slots and ssd easily. I wonder if the lack of trap door is due to using MDF as opposed to metal. With the PA1X for example, the trap door to add extra RAM of the VIF option was well designed. And that meant anybody could add RAM. With the Kronos, it's a chew to open the entire base to simply add another ram module. |
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