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blinkofanI · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:56 am Post subject:

Boy, what a "dream come true" turning into a nightmare!! Crying or Very sad

I was asking for an upright piano a couple of months ago. Now, i wonder if that upright is really from the NI Kontakt library and i have Komplete8 with that upright piano in there, would that make it ok to use it in the Kronos? I wouldn't mind deleting it but it's just more conveniant to have it in the Kronos, ready to play at the touch of 3 key presses.

I feel like i met one crazy hot girl, to realize once in bed she's a man!!

Everything in my computer is legit, i won't start cracking stuff in the K. Shoot!!

Blink
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BasariStudios · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:27 am Post subject:

I don't think its Dream come true turning into a Nightmare, it is what it is.
No one can blame Dmitry if he did not know where it comes from...on the
other hand he did not try to make money out of it either.
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MRedZac · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:13 am Post subject:

Ermak · Joined: 29 Jul 2012 Posts: 5

Actually, I'm a little bit confused about the copyright of samples.

For example, if I use the Kronos SGX-1 piano, I automatically use samples that are owned by Korg.

Accordingly, if I record a CD in studio, these samples are indirectly transferred to my CD. Does this mean that selling my own music to a third persion is illegal because Korg owns the samples I used ?

On the other hand, if it is legal to record this using the Kronos, I can also record the samples key by key and sell them. Then I would generate a sample set that could theoretically be used by other synths.

It is unclear to me where the boundary between legal and illegal is.

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SynthKeyWizard · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:33 am Post subject:

.Jens · Senior Member Joined: 06 Dec 2011 Posts: 383

Waveform · Junior Member Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 66 Location: UK

Well, I'd like to thank Dmitry for the work he put into editing and formatting the samples and for freely sharing them with us all, which is, I believe, in the spirit of the Forum.

Once Dmitry was made aware of the problem, he deleted the samples and has apologised to everyone. I agree with him - I don't see what else he can do.

Sharp has made it clear that new guidelines will be made available for future uploads, and that can only be good news.

This is a very murky and unclear area of the law (which varies from country to country). How many of the Soundfonts that are freely available contain at least some copyright material? - A very large percentage I would have thought.

Dmitry has apologised, Sharp has acted swiftly, new guidelines will be made available..... Let's all move on....

Ermak · Joined: 29 Jul 2012 Posts: 5

MRedZac · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:19 am Post subject:

MRedZac · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:34 am Post subject:

.Jens · Senior Member Joined: 06 Dec 2011 Posts: 383

[quote="Ermak"]
This doesn't sound very consistent to me.
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It is, once you see the difference between a recorded sample and a sound produced "live".

jerrythek · Platinum Member Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Posts: 2931

I don't think Dimitry did anything consciously wrong, and I admire his dedication to being part of this great community. He reacted honorably and should still be applauded for working so hard to help everyone (for no personal gain). Lesson learned/move on.

Jerry

Sparker · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject:

Having spent last night surfing the web and reading up on copyright it just seems like a lawyers' paradise, nevermind the philosophical issues regarding the benefits and disadvantages of the whole copyright concept.

I hadn't heard of the 'sound recording copyright' or the sound recording copyright symbol (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_recording_copyright_symbol )
- which seems to apply to the method of storage of sounds and not the sound itself.
I've not seen this symbol on any of my equipment, though to be honest I've not been looking for something I didn't know existed.

To make matters more confusing there are the Creative Commons license extensions ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_licenses ) which allows for sharing or other specifically defined exemptions.

My conclusion was pretty much the same as Qui's; i.e. that in order to share samples you need to have recorded the sample yourself - although there appears to be grey area around pre-recorded samples that you have modified (re-sampled) yourself.

I look forward to clarification by Sharp of KF's position on sample copyright.

For instance, what is the situation where a product (say a CD of sample files) is no longer commercially available? Can that now be made available to share on-line or are these sounds lost to the world for the next 70-100 odd years?

Personally I blame 'The Mouse' Laughing

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