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EddyDeegan
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 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Kronos should have all the classic Korg sounds |
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| KorgisKing wrote: | | I know a few keyboard players that would buy the kronos if it had all those classic sounds in it |
This is quite possibly the most ridiculous sentence I've ever seen on this forum 
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Scatter
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 Any chance of updating the forum rules to ban text-speak (retroactively applied)?
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ronnfigg
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Korgisking-The Kronos covers a lot of bases. but first and foremost it is a synthesizer. which means you can create the sounds with knowledge and the tools that the Kronos offers. it would be nice to punch a button and get any sound you want pre programmed by somebody else. but there would never be enough buttons for everyone. study the art of synthesis and then give it a go. if you know nothing about synthesis you've got a lot of work ahead of you.
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KorgisKing
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Thank u all 4 ur comments some of u made good points. I shall delve a little deeper into my Kronos b4 jumping the gun about it thanks guys
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Ernie Applelips
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| KorgisKing wrote: | | Such as the DW8000 & Poly800 |
I had a Poly800. I can't think of any sound that it made that I'd ever want to hear again.
Maybe if I was a better programmer I could have got something more out of it, but I don't think it would have been anything that compared with the synths that Korgs have made since.
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Kevin Nolan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Kronos should have all the classic Korg sounds |
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| zengomi wrote: | | Kevin Nolan wrote: | Kronos has:
- Waveshaping precisely as found on the O1W series
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Would you elaborate on that? |
I'm perhaps a little misleading on this point - though perhaps not - I'll have to experiment (or perhaps Dan - could you clarify):
Waveshaping as found on the O1W series is a feature of the MOD-7 synth engine. Here, you can use Waveshape tables - as derived precisely from the O1W (and perhaps with even more tables available on Kronos) - to Waveshape an input PCM oscillators whose input/content derives from the HD-1 onboard ROM (or indeed any input sample). Hence - I believe - but need Dan to confirm (and I'll try to confirm soon by looking at MOD-7) you can use MOD-7 not as an FM synthesizer per-say, but as a HD-1 synth engine but with waveshaping in the signal path.
Look in the Parameter Guise in the MOD-7 section under "Waveshaping and PCM.
I'm convinced that this is the case - but it will need a particular algorithm where FM is not occurring and you use MOD-7 in a minimal way where the PCM input is essential passed straight through to the filter section without FM going on but with Waveshaping applied to one of the VPM oscillators; turning MOD-7 effectively into an O1W!
Of course if can go further because you can indeed use that PCM input (or the Waveshaped PCM input) as a modulator to another VPM oscillator in any algorithm - and this is an awesome feature very like Yamaha's Realtime Convolution and Modulation (RCM) as found in the SY77/SY99 and TG77. It brings an entirely new dimension to FM, and I use it extensively, still, in my SY77 and 99s throughout my compositions. This feature of OASYS/KRONOS is perhaps the least explored of all the synth engines, but has extraordinary potential (but is very time consuming to program).
But what I'll try to confirm is that you can pass a PCM source through MOD-7 withough FM going on per-say, and with one VPM acting as a Waveshaper in the O1W sense - effectively turning Kronos into a 'super O1W'.
Dan - could you confirm this?
If the case, it would be worth us putting together one simple MOD-7 program for free download that provides this particular 'O1W' case for everybody to use as a programming 'starting point'. I use OASYS, not Kronos (yet - I'll have a Kronos in early 2013 hopefully) but if I manage to create such a program I'll forward it to someone with both an OASYS and a Kronos and they can convert it to Kronos format.
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BasariStudios
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Kronos should have all the classic Korg sounds |
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| EddyDeegan wrote: | | KorgisKing wrote: | | I know a few keyboard players that would buy the kronos if it had all those classic sounds in it |
This is quite possibly the most ridiculous sentence I've ever seen on this forum |
Most of his posts are usually funny...
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zengomi
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Kronos should have all the classic Korg sounds |
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| Kevin Nolan wrote: | | zengomi wrote: | | Kevin Nolan wrote: | Kronos has:
- Waveshaping precisely as found on the O1W series
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Would you elaborate on that? |
I'm perhaps a little misleading on this point - though perhaps not - I'll have to experiment (or perhaps Dan - could you clarify):
Waveshaping as found on the O1W series is a feature of the MOD-7 synth engine. Here, you can use Waveshape tables - as derived precisely from the O1W (and perhaps with even more tables available on Kronos) - to Waveshape an input PCM oscillators whose input/content derives from the HD-1 onboard ROM (or indeed any input sample). Hence - I believe - but need Dan to confirm (and I'll try to confirm soon by looking at MOD-7) you can use MOD-7 not as an FM synthesizer per-say, but as a HD-1 synth engine but with waveshaping in the signal path.
Look in the Parameter Guise in the MOD-7 section under "Waveshaping and PCM.
I'm convinced that this is the case - but it will need a particular algorithm where FM is not occurring and you use MOD-7 in a minimal way where the PCM input is essential passed straight through to the filter section without FM going on but with Waveshaping applied to one of the VPM oscillators; turning MOD-7 effectively into an O1W!
Of course if can go further because you can indeed use that PCM input (or the Waveshaped PCM input) as a modulator to another VPM oscillator in any algorithm - and this is an awesome feature very like Yamaha's Realtime Convolution and Modulation (RCM) as found in the SY77/SY99 and TG77. It brings an entirely new dimension to FM, and I use it extensively, still, in my SY77 and 99s throughout my compositions. This feature of OASYS/KRONOS is perhaps the least explored of all the synth engines, but has extraordinary potential (but is very time consuming to program).
But what I'll try to confirm is that you can pass a PCM source through MOD-7 withough FM going on per-say, and with one VPM acting as a Waveshaper in the O1W sense - effectively turning Kronos into a 'super O1W'.
Dan - could you confirm this?
If the case, it would be worth us putting together one simple MOD-7 program for free download that provides this particular 'O1W' case for everybody to use as a programming 'starting point'. I use OASYS, not Kronos (yet - I'll have a Kronos in early 2013 hopefully) but if I manage to create such a program I'll forward it to someone with both an OASYS and a Kronos and they can convert it to Kronos format.
Kevin. |
Thanks for your very elaborate reply, Kevin! Love your idea of a 'starting point' program. |
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Trinity2112
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Kronos should have all the classic Korg sounds |
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| Kevin Nolan wrote: |
If the case, it would be worth us putting together one simple MOD-7 program for free download that provides this particular 'O1W' case for everybody to use as a programming 'starting point'. I use OASYS, not Kronos (yet - I'll have a Kronos in early 2013 hopefully) but if I manage to create such a program I'll forward it to someone with both an OASYS and a Kronos and they can convert it to Kronos format. |
I'm definitely excited about the possibilities, Kevin. And would be more than happy to convert it to Kronos format.
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