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laandodeman · Senior Member Joined: 07 Jul 2011 Posts: 417

Anyone recognize this? I play in a rock band and dhe sound technician of my band says the hammond programs I made are not loud enough compared to my other programs and they do not come through in the mix.

Is there an easy way to solve that (except of course turn up the volume of the hammonds in all my combi's)?

arne v · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:02 am Post subject:

Hi,
Do you mean it sounds "weak" compared to the rest of the sounds?
What i did with most of my pianos (acc, and el) i would copy EXi 1 over to EXi 2. This "doubles" the sound and it sounds much "fuller" imho. This does not affect your CPU usage to much when its just an organ.
You can of course play with the "detune" and panning option to widen the sound Smile

Regards Arne v

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

I would argue very strongly against doubling like that, especially with Leslie speakers involved and such. Of course, you should do what sounds best to you, but it seems to me an excellent way of introducing phase problems.

I don't really know what to tell you otherwise. Organs are very dynamic. Not through velocity of course, but the drawbar settings and amount of notes you play make a huge difference, not to mention riding the volume pedal. This is why the "starting volume" of the organ is perhaps a little lower. It was the same on my Nord Stage. I just reprogram my patches accordingly (lower the sound of the other patches) and usually leave a little room on my master volume knob to boost if I need it.

laandodeman · Senior Member Joined: 07 Jul 2011 Posts: 417

Interesting, I also had the same problem with my Nord Stage before I converted to Korg....

I was hoping there was something in the CX programs I could do to turn up the volume, but probably you are right that the best solution is turning the volume of other programs in the combi down.

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

If you really want, you could try disabling the CX3s internal leslie, then run the "naked drawbars" through a compressor in IFX and then a leslie (also in IFX). This would bring up the basic volume, at the expense of sacrificing some dynamics. But really, master volume riding, if done with care, should work really well. Last gig after my organ solo the sound guy asked me to please not have the organ so loud Wink

mathieumaes · Senior Member Joined: 10 Dec 2011 Posts: 430

I actually have the opposite problem. I sometimes need to use the organ as a background sound (ie. listen to John Fogerty's "Have you ever seen rain"), but most sounds are too agressive and way too loud.

Maybe we should exchange programs ? Very Happy

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DoubleM · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:13 am Post subject:

I had the same problems after reprogramming my hammond sounds, formerly coming from my Nord Electro III.

I followed the same procedure like SanderXpander did, lowered the volume of the other sounds in the combinations and left some "headroom" in volumes generally.

What I found out esp. for hammond sounds:

You have to take care of the frequencies in the EQ. In a band context the organ frequencies often get in conflict with the guitars. I sometimes tweak the EQ in EXi1 carefully in a range of est. 1.6 kH a little bit. Result is, the organ isn´t louder at all, but cuts better through the mix. Maybe you should give it a try...
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SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

DoubleM · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:33 am Post subject:

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

It's just my opinion, but I would generally not use that setting for soft comping. 008080000 would work a lot better.

laandodeman · Senior Member Joined: 07 Jul 2011 Posts: 417

arne v · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject:

guillex · Full Member Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 206

Happens with many keyboards from different brands. Nowadays I don't use factory presets as they come, at live.

I add a preamp and I improve the EQ for each program or combi that I use at live. You should do the same, because you know better how it should sound your keyboard in your band, than Korg, or Nord.

There are some frequencies that can be modified to cut trough the mix with the piano sounds, other for the Hammond...
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dg-keys · Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 20 Location: germany

Hey folks,

when I met mr. Jordan Rudess, he told me, that he uses the multiband limiter in the master section in every combi/program.
The effect makes the sound much more assertive. Rises a little bit of the high and a bit of the mid. When you play wide chords he cuts the volume a little bit without notice. So you are never too loud and never too quiet.

I use the effect in every combi/program as well and it works fine. Give it try.

Regards from germany
Dan

X-Trade · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: