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hai61 · Joined: 29 Apr 2012 Posts: 16 Location: Germany, Cologne

Hello, i recorded two new tracks. It is the serenade no.13 from W.A. Mozart (little nightmusic) 1st and 2nd movement. 3rd and 4th will follow. I used the EXs11 Library. Praise, comments, criticism and suggestions for improvement are welcome.

1st movement:
http://soundcloud.com/haimu/01-serenade-no13-allegro

2nd movement (romance):
http://soundcloud.com/haimu/02-serenade-no13-andante

Greetings
Harald

Francois · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject:

Thanks.
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gzussturbo · Joined: 26 Sep 2012 Posts: 3

Sounds great!!

hai61 · Joined: 29 Apr 2012 Posts: 16 Location: Germany, Cologne

3rd movement allegretto (menuett) is now available online:

http://soundcloud.com/haimu/03-serenade-no13-allegretto

DocBambs · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: two new tracks

synthguy · Platinum Member Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 661

It is very well done. As DocBambs says, it's very difficult to do convincing acoustic things - other than drum and bass - with keyboards and even sample libraries. We pick up very quickly on the difference between 80-plus moving hands on real instruments and synthesizer samples.

One thing that helps, especially with orchestral emulation, is to mix in solo tracks of solo instruments: violins, cellos, brass, winds, etc. Play each one by hand, leave in subtle mistakes - or even add them in intentionally. Pan to where those instruments would be in an actual orchestra, balance so they blend in with the orchestral patch of your choice, and it will add to the realism greatly.

If you have a sample library, learn all the little articulations and do the same thing. Which will have some of us growing old before our time. Razz

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cello · Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:29 pm Post subject:

I'm trying to figure out why these don't work for me. (sorry!)

The sounds are well selected. The notes are accurate.

But they don't sound musical to me. (sorry again!)

Let's break it down.

The notes are perfect because it's all done through midi - nothing wrong with that; but that is the biggest flaw.

No classical music is that perfect - that four-square on the beat for every measure. Therefore it is not human, therefore not musical.

The Kronos on board string sounds are good - but they need interpretive help - no two cellos sound the same; similar yes, but not the same. Also there are ranges on the Kronos (as in the OASYS) that don't sound 'right' for each string instrument, so the sounds have to be tweaked just for those ranges.

But the sound is not good enough to make it musical. If you must play through midi then you need to introduce major quantisation to make it human.

What I would prefer to hear is you playing each track/voice/part yourself (remembering there are at least 4 cellos which should be recorded separately with slightly different sounds) and build on each track (Mozart is easy in this regard - there's always a continuo!) - then there's the acoustic ambience; there's none (okay, there's a little - but nothing meaningful!) There needs to be some kind of reverb going on - all classical music is played in a venue that has some kind of characteristic (the musikverein is good and unique to the point of legend), which then all builds to getting to the full piece; now that would be worth hearing!

These attempts whilst utterly accurate and perfect, miss the musical points (for me).
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hai61 · Joined: 29 Apr 2012 Posts: 16 Location: Germany, Cologne

Thank you all for your feedback and constructive criticism. Some suggestions I will implement in my new projects.

Greetings
Harald

hai61 · Joined: 29 Apr 2012 Posts: 16 Location: Germany, Cologne

The last part 4th movement allegro rondo is also available:

http://soundcloud.com/haimu/04-serenade-no13-allegro-rondo

runningman67 · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject:

hai61 · Joined: 29 Apr 2012 Posts: 16 Location: Germany, Cologne

For the first 2 parts it used the o-verb with standtart (50ms). For the 3rd an 4th movement i used an O-Verb with 72ms reverb time. I would't overload the effect.

Maybe someone has a recommendation for better effects and parameters ?

1jordyzzz · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:48 pm Post subject:

sequenced piece is very accurate, but sometimes it loses the human touch on the music.. the music is made entirely by computer, which of course we know that computer has no emotion.. humans, however, involves emotion when playing music...
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