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CTravaglini Junior Member
Joined: 16 Sep 2011 Posts: 62 Location: Perth, WA
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:46 am Post subject: Jamiroquai String fall |
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i know this sounds not unique to jamiroqui, but it has become a major part of their sound.
i am searching for a way to replicate (to whatever extent possible) the 70s disco string section fall/stab sound inn my kronos. I've searched a little on the internet to try and find information about this sound, but haven't had much luck. its incredibly noticeable in songs like little l in the chorus, or canned heat. (the canned heat one sounds quite a bit punchier)
I've tried taking a string sound, adjusting the decay to be quite short, and then altering the pitch eg to have the fall, but the initial strike is never strong enough to cut through the mix like the jamiroquai ones.
do you guys have any suggestions on something i could do to help this, or possible point me towards a sample library that already has this sound in it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hHSH9sJUEo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE4VlA_9OrI |
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narf Approved Merchant
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 367 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: |
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I've made a program using a strings fall mixed in a combi for Just Dance. PM me your email and I'll send it to you _________________ Admin Kronos Enthusiast Workshops Facebook Group
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narf Approved Merchant
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 367 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry this took a while...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pf1pwqj1efc80n4/String%20Drop.PCG
Program U-FF 000 Disco String Fall
Combi U-G 000 Just Dance- It's a split combi with EP on the left side and strings on the right. When played hard, string fall will be heard.
Download file
Transfer to USB
Connect USB to Kronos
Go to Disk Mode
Go to Drive Select and choose your USB
Copy the String Fall.pcg file to your Kronos SSD
Open the .pcg
Open Program Folder
Open U-FF folder
Load U-FF 000 Disco String Fall
Open Combi Folder
Open U-G folder
Load U-G 000 Just Dance _________________ Admin Kronos Enthusiast Workshops Facebook Group
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narf Approved Merchant
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 367 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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To create the program, select a string sound and adjust pitch envelope attack settings. You can also set this up so that it responds to velocity intensity. _________________ Admin Kronos Enthusiast Workshops Facebook Group
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Chriskk Senior Member
Joined: 10 May 2011 Posts: 349
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:58 am Post subject: |
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narf wrote: | To create the program, select a string sound and adjust pitch envelope attack settings. You can also set this up so that it responds to velocity intensity. |
It's not that simple. When you slide down on a string instrument, not only does the pitch change but also the timbre changes because you are increasing the length of the vibrating portion of the string. |
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CTravaglini Junior Member
Joined: 16 Sep 2011 Posts: 62 Location: Perth, WA
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:49 am Post subject: |
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the troubles not so much in getting the pitch to lower as it is in the attack of the note. the string samples in the kronos don't have strong attacks like many of the 70's disco string ensembles. the 01/w has a great strong sample which I've attempted to sample and use in the kronos. but i think to fully achieve this sound, you'd need to get the sample from an actual string section!!
I've made a patch up for little l using the 01/w sample. have a listen and see what you think
https://www.dropbox.com/s/emtl7ctcdbuxgvr/Little%20L.m4a |
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popmann Senior Member
Joined: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 350 Location: Nashville
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Sample NI's Session Strings. It's an awful library for general use...but, it was MADE for "disco strings"--with both scoops and falls as part of every sound. |
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narf Approved Merchant
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:19 am Post subject: |
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The Disco String Fall is just the pitch change itself. The combi has it mixed with Tremolo string for the attack sound. _________________ Admin Kronos Enthusiast Workshops Facebook Group
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pfrocha Full Member
Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 103 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: String fall |
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CTravaglini wrote: | the troubles not so much in getting the pitch to lower as it is in the attack of the note. the string samples in the kronos don't have strong attacks like many of the 70's disco string ensembles. the 01/w has a great strong sample which I've attempted to sample and use in the kronos. but i think to fully achieve this sound, you'd need to get the sample from an actual string section!!
I've made a patch up for little l using the 01/w sample. have a listen and see what you think
https://www.dropbox.com/s/emtl7ctcdbuxgvr/Little%20L.m4a |
That is great! Would you share the Kronos patch? |
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Rocnuts
Joined: 15 Nov 2012 Posts: 2
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject: Agreed! Please Share |
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Great patch CTravaglini. Please share _________________ Every dog has his day |
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:53 am Post subject: |
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The NI ones have a "Motown" mode that is perfect. |
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Stefpiano
Joined: 13 Jun 2014 Posts: 4
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drdave2002 Junior Member
Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 96
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Sounds great but these are for the Motif, is someone working on a Kronos version? or is there a soundset available already? _________________ Korg Kronos 61, M3-73, Karma (all-time classic), X5, Wavestate, Roland Juno Gi, JV, D110, Arturia Microfreak, Modal Skulpt, IK Uno. Nanopad2, M-Audio Venom, Deepmind 12D, Crave, TB3, Maschine Mk3, Moog Werkstat and a few other bits |
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kaptainkeyboard Full Member
Joined: 19 May 2013 Posts: 167 Location: Glasgow, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:15 am Post subject: |
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drdave2002 wrote: | Sounds great but these are for the Motif, is someone working on a Kronos version? or is there a soundset available already? |
Here ye go...
2 Progs in USER-EE - 1 with Vel Switched Falls and another with Vel Switched Scoop.
I didn't spent too much time on this last night, so you may want to do some editing to get it right.
Edit:-
Just noticed I had some Top End Boost on the Amp/EQ Page - probably best you adjust this to taste....
Edit 2 - Sorry guys, I'll fix some errors today and re-upload.
Last edited by kaptainkeyboard on Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:33 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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drdave2002 Junior Member
Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 96
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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YOU ARE A STAR !!!!
Awesome, can't wait to get out of work now!!
.... actually as i think about it, this makes me sad that i can't go now and play with my Kronos, you've ruined my day!!!
Only joking !!!
Thanks, really appreciate it. _________________ Korg Kronos 61, M3-73, Karma (all-time classic), X5, Wavestate, Roland Juno Gi, JV, D110, Arturia Microfreak, Modal Skulpt, IK Uno. Nanopad2, M-Audio Venom, Deepmind 12D, Crave, TB3, Maschine Mk3, Moog Werkstat and a few other bits |
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