|
Korg Forums A forum for Korg product users and musicians around the world. Moderated Independently. Owned by Irish Acts Recording Studio & hosted by KORG USA
|
View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Saxifraga Guest
Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Posts: 520 Location: Berlin, Germany
|
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:41 pm Post subject: Warning: Kronos OS 2.0.6 path length problem (bug?) |
|
|
Hi! I ran into trouble using a folder structure with some unusual long folder and file names with spaces.
(Being a Mac developer I am now used to using very long names. Not foobar etc.)
When I tried to save all PCG/KSC etc. into this folder (DISK mode -> save all) I got a message during the save process about the path being invalid.
The system tried to save the samples (NEWMS000) in an additional folder structure but messed up. The subfolders could not be deleted because the delete routine also is unable to handle the very long path I created.
Only renaming the very long top level folder name made it possible to remove everything and start again with shorter folder names.
I think this is really not state of the art but as ever: we have to life with this old style 90ties OS. (Itīs like Apple OS 7 + multitasking sound engines)
Has anyone encountered the same problem?
Do Korg/Yamaha/Roland really think they can go on with this kind of crappy retro OSes and add only some iPad Apps to it? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
BobTheDog Platinum Member
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535
|
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
There's a max length for all chars in full path and is not too big, it states it in the manual somewhere I think.
Someone else had this issue on the forum recently, might be worth searching for it. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
|
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Kronos OS 2.0.6 path length problem (bug?) |
|
|
Saxifraga wrote: | Hi! I ran into trouble using a folder structure with some unusual long folder and file names with spaces.
(Being a Mac developer I am now used to using very long names. Not foobar etc.)
When I tried to save all PCG/KSC etc. into this folder (DISK mode -> save all) I got a message during the save process about the path being invalid.
The system tried to save the samples (NEWMS000) in an additional folder structure but messed up. The subfolders could not be deleted because the delete routine also is unable to handle the very long path I created.
Only renaming the very long top level folder name made it possible to remove everything and start again with shorter folder names.
I think this is really not state of the art but as ever: we have to life with this old style 90ties OS. (Itīs like Apple OS 7 + multitasking sound engines)
Has anyone encountered the same problem?
Do Korg/Yamaha/Roland really think they can go on with this kind of crappy retro OSes and add only some iPad Apps to it? |
the 90's were pretty good. I much prefer the 80's. And there was less griping back then. People actually were more patient and tried to get the facts straight beforehand _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
Achieve your musical dreams
https://soundcloud.com/user-898236994 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
BobTheDog Platinum Member
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535
|
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Nah, the 70s were the best, better music, nice smoke and you used to be happy as larry with a teletype. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
JPWC Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Oct 2010 Posts: 638 Location: Bay Area, CA
|
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The 90's were not that cool, no Korg Kronos as yet.
Sorry Saxifraga, you need to stick the correct path, "the straight and narrow".
Problem with data management is evident by most people's computer, a desktop with a hundred different files right on top, or a file structure so complex, they can not find anything.
I recommend my workflow, stop trying to make the Kronos something it's not and live within the constraints, only venture out with analog equipment, where there are no files to structure, or name, just some knob position to remember.
You think the Kronos is hard, try and reconfigure an acoustic piano.
Sorry Saxi, I'll just shut-up. _________________ Kronos-6, Krome, M3, Radias, KingKorg, microKorg, KP-2, KP-3, KO-1, KO-1 PRO, Karma, microX, monotron, monotribe, PadCONTROL, Wavedrum Mini, Volca Keys, Beats, Bass, Sample, monotron Duo & Delay, microArranger, M1, Wavestation, Volca Sample, Keys, Beats & Bass, MS-20
JD-XA, JD-Xi, Aira (system 1, TB3, TR8, MX-1), Prophet 12, Mopho X4, Jupiter-80, FA-06, D50, CS1x, CZ101, DX200, AN200, analogFOUR, MachineDrum, MonoMachine, Motif XF6, Virus Snow, Nord Lead 2X, OP-1, MFOS, Tenori-on, QY100, QY70, meeblip se, miniBrute, microBrute, Bass Station 2 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
LivePsy Senior Member
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 355
|
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
People with long filenames should be shot. Its a name, not a sentence. I still have nightmares of the old days (Netware) where a workgroup created folders with composer's work and full names with the correct umlaut, cedillas and accents etc. Nightmare transferring those folders!
Yes, my point is, its a name. Be kind to your kronos.
B |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Saxifraga Guest
Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Posts: 520 Location: Berlin, Germany
|
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
You sound all so establishment like: "Itīs just the way it is. Things will never change." Is that your favorite motto?
Korgs programmers need to rewrite the whole system. Itīs crap from the 90ties by todays standards and the last machine I bought from any "workstation" producer. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
runningman67 Platinum Member
Joined: 06 Aug 2011 Posts: 1663 Location: Manchester UK
|
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Saxifraga wrote: | You sound all so establishment like: "Itīs just the way it is. Things will never change." Is that your favorite motto?
Korgs programmers need to rewrite the whole system. Itīs crap from the 90ties by todays standards and the last machine I bought from any "workstation" producer. |
Never mind the time dimension. In another parallel universe dimension.............maybe you are happy with everything _________________ https://m.youtube.com/user/1967runningman |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Zeroesque Senior Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 451 Location: SoCal
|
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Saxifraga wrote: | Korgs programmers need to rewrite the whole system. Itīs crap from the 90ties by todays standards and the last machine I bought from any "workstation" producer. |
No, they don't.
I would also argue the the Kronos is the most sophisticated instrument ever made. I would suggest not allowing a filename length restriction to keep you from enjoying it. _________________ Kronos 61, Kronos2-88, Hammond B3, Baldwin SD-10 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Saxifraga Guest
Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Posts: 520 Location: Berlin, Germany
|
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Zeroesque wrote: | Saxifraga wrote: | Korgs programmers need to rewrite the whole system. Itīs crap from the 90ties by todays standards and the last machine I bought from any "workstation" producer. |
No, they don't.
I would also argue the the Kronos is the most sophisticated instrument ever made. I would suggest not allowing a filename length restriction to keep you from enjoying it. |
Of course I am enjoying the sound of my Kronos. Have bought two sound libraries recently which sound great (KRS-54 and EXs-62). But why should I enjoy a crappy UI?
I can distinguish between good and bad things.
You link about Netscape made me laugh!
Do you know what Steve Jobs did with his team of highly professional people he extracted from Appel when they put him in the attic? He wrote NeXTstep (or better supervised the rewrite). Itīs the foundation of todays Mac OS X / iOS and the first OS that used object oriented programming throughout the whole system on top of UNIX. If Apple had not bought NeXT back they would be history now. So donīt cherry pick. Both possibilities happened in the past and not the best system wins always. Most people want a product cheap, bad and more often then necessary. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Zeroesque Senior Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 451 Location: SoCal
|
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The process you describe took 15 years and involved massive executive-level changes in multiple large companies. How is this a good example for what Korg should do to give you longer filenames?
Edit: removed unnecessary quote from above post. _________________ Kronos 61, Kronos2-88, Hammond B3, Baldwin SD-10 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
BobTheDog Platinum Member
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535
|
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Saxifraga wrote: | Zeroesque wrote: | Saxifraga wrote: | Korgs programmers need to rewrite the whole system. Itīs crap from the 90ties by todays standards and the last machine I bought from any "workstation" producer. |
No, they don't.
I would also argue the the Kronos is the most sophisticated instrument ever made. I would suggest not allowing a filename length restriction to keep you from enjoying it. |
Of course I am enjoying the sound of my Kronos. Have bought two sound libraries recently which sound great (KRS-54 and EXs-62). But why should I enjoy a crappy UI?
I can distinguish between good and bad things.
You link about Netscape made me laugh!
Do you know what Steve Jobs did with his team of highly professional people he extracted from Appel when they put him in the attic? He wrote NeXTstep (or better supervised the rewrite). Itīs the foundation of todays Mac OS X / iOS and the first OS that used object oriented programming throughout the whole system on top of UNIX. If Apple had not bought NeXT back they would be history now. So donīt cherry pick. Both possibilities happened in the past and not the best system wins always. Most people want a product cheap, bad and more often then necessary. |
If you count NextStep as an OS then you also must count Smalltalk as an OS. Smalltalk was around nearly 20 years before NextStep so calling NextStep the first Object Oriented OS is a bit much!
NextStep was never that great anyway, I hated it when I worked on it in the late 80s. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jimknopf Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374
|
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The filename length in the Kronos hasn't been a real problem for me.
I have used the Fantom G before: now that really was a filename problem for about everything, with a DOS level layout from the eigthies.
I have zero problems with the Kronos limits, since I once took notice of them, and just avoid running into them (not hard to do). If Korg should ever develop a challenge for OSX on a synth, they would probably do more with it than using it for the synth. _________________ Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 12 Pro + Groove Agent 5 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SanderXpander Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860
|
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Personally I think it's a huge compliment that people are even comparing Kronos OS (which basically just runs a synthesizer!) to things like iOS or even OSX, which are developed as multi-featured OSs ans to be basically a platform for other developers.
If you compare Kronos OS to, as Jim said, Fantom G OS or much worse, Kurzweil OS or Yamaha OS, it doesn't come off nearly as badly.
I'm definitely all for improvements and more intuitive operation. But if you take note of the limitations the Kronos is currently hardly constraining my creative needs. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ed_f Approved Merchant
Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 1063 Location: Boulder, CO
|
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I was struck recently when having to go back and do work on my triton. Those old dos naming formats. Made me think how much more advanced Kronos is. And with FTP the fact that I can basically drag and drop anything from my Mac right onto my Kronos is an amazing step forward. I haven't had a name problem and haven't felt the constraints of the triton which seemed pretty advanced at the time. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
|