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[jhulk]

many people have been asking about certain sample sounds from synths to be done for the t series and trinity

now we only have 512k 16bits so no long samples can be done

on the d50 as some have asked has 1mb of 8 bit samples this is done in 4 banks of 256k 12bits

this is because the sample engine is an s550 which is 2 s330 samplers

and it has a va section that does saw and pulse with pwm

now all the samples are just single samples in the key of c5-c6 in different keys

the t series also do this with a lot of the samples and use the transpose engine todo the pitch changes

the t is very accurate for this as i have experimented with single samples and used a chromatic tuner to see how correct it is and it fluctuates between 0 =+/- 3 cents like real instruments do

the only problem is by doing this is that the notes being transposed down lose there transient as its played slower it acts like there is an attack envelope happening

now to over come this i do single cycle waves for bass sounds and these are multisampled so that they keep there transient sound

this can also be done with piano samples as you can multisample more keys and sample the transient and after the transient choose a single cycle wave and loop on that which is whats done on the perfect piano on the ts10 and sd1 this is a great small sampled piano 1mb in size

i can do this with fm e-piano patches also

now there are a lot of similar sounds between synths in there roms so there is no need to sample those as they are already catered for

that includes brass sax strings and like sounds

so to me its about adding sets of sounds that a synth has that the t does not or trinity

for instance the kawai k3 has 31 single cycle additive osc

this machine has 2 layers like the t as its engine is very simalar to the dss1 synth engine which the t is based on but with more poly

the downside is that the t does not have res filter but most sounds on the k3 dont use res either specially the e-piano and pad type sounds

but apart from that the t has all the synth features so can do like type sounds

another is the sy22/33/35 range

these have some nice samples that the t does not and also 2op fm so a lot of sounds can be sampled the t can do vector synthesis

as the sy is a 4 layer synth done in 2 layer 1fm 1 pcm like the d50

now on the t and any korg synth you have to do it in performance mode as the 2 layer limitation in preset patch mode

now the great thing is for the t is that it has a filter to sculpt the sound the sy22/33/35 does not so you can create same type patches with added synth features

the k1 has many additive spectra and they give the spectra details of them in pictures so its very easy to recreate these in the dss1 or dsm1

which i own both same again its based on the features of the d50/sy22/33/35 in there vector 4 layers and again the k1 has no filters but create beautiful choirs and pads

the vfx now this has some great features 1 being rom read modulation

this spews out a sample that goes through the rom sets set at your settings for weird and wonderful rhythmic loops

the t does not have any of these jam type loops

it also has some nice cyclic samples most sounds are done on 3 layers but it has 6 layers so in performance mode you can create the patches

as seeing only 3 max are used but they switch them into presets so that they at a switch of 2 buttons can change the sound by switching 1 of the 6 layers we can do this on the t as in performance presets

the jd800/990 has some nice sounds but there is a lot of fodder that is the same the engine is the same as the d50 but has res filters on each

the ppg/wave these use single cycle additive spectra for there sound creation wavetables but in a scanable 64 wavetable obviously the t does not have this capability but the 2000 ppg and the 300 wave spectra we can use we can also do wavetable like loops of single cycle spectra by looping several single cycles together in 1 sample at c5/c6 and then transpose it down on the t engine like the ones in the d50 and also the couple in the t

theres also the wavestation sets missing in the t and all the pcm card sets

that can be sampled so that card sysex can be played back using pcm from floppy

the 01w also

now to limitations the t1/2ex/3ex are the only ones with pcm playback and loading so if you only have a t2/t3 then you will need to find the ram chips and solder them in and ad a couple of caps for ex capability the chips are available at $8 each you need 8 of them and a couple of hours soldering

the t has 512k 16bits ram 100 sample locations and 27 multisounds

so for a full multisound set you can get 16 multisampled multisounds and 11 single sample sounds

or 27 single sample sounds with longer loop times

so to have full sets from synths will need 2-4 disks

the ppg single cycle set is massive 100 disk set

the wave is a 15 disk set

the k1 spectra is a 10 disk set

so as you can see thats a lot of pcm for preset creation which makes the t a synth for ever changing and ever upgradable

the trinity has 8mb of ram in 4 2mb banks max of 500 samples divided by 100 multisamples so the banks can be much larger the ppg set would be 20 sets for the trinity

as seeing i make the samples into kmp files and use synthjoes multisound editor they are ready available for the trinity/triton/oasis/m3/kronos as these can read korg format keymaps

so its up to you to ask what sample sets you want and i can do a catalog of samples for them

[jhulk]

also to note when i was doing the sample sets i tunes them in the pc

to find that when played on the t they were out of tune now i had to use a chromatic tuner to tune the loops to the t its self

so i can do this for the t and the trinity but dont own an oasis or a m3 or kronos so cant say for certain when tuned properly in the t and trinity

that they will be perfectly in tune on the the later models as they use different synth engines

i did some for the ex5 and will need to go back and check those for tuning on the ex5 as it seems whats perfectly tuned in the pc is not on the synth engines

[jorgemncardoso]

jhulk your posts are always a pleasure to read, loads on great technical info
I have trouble understanding some concepts some times as my technical skills in sampling is not so great but for the most part i understand and it's very helpful info.

It's also great to see someone still excited and into making soundsets fol older synths.

It seems these days that for younger folks any synth that has more than 3 years is jurassic LOL, and have no interest in those machines.

I for one still use and love my T3 and 01/W's for a lot of sounds and as controllers.

Unfortunately my Trinity is not 100% anymore, i suspect the master effects chip is fried as it crackles when i have them on. It's still usable with the insert effects and external effects tho.
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...And a bucket load of Softsynths, plug-ins, and DAW's

[jhulk]

problem with people today they dont know how to program

also there are sounds on the 01w that cant be made on other korg synths due to the shapers hence why i still keep one in my arsenal

here are some example patches from the new pcm sets no other synths have these so the t1 series are great as you can keep on adding and adding new material the synth is fresh with new sound sets

not many synth do it in the old synths

my favorite is the sy99 as i can add pcm and fm together

and im from the era of the E! EII where 400k was massive and some of the best ever sounding patches were done on those machine

tears for fears depechemode

eurythmics michael jackson herbie hancock and many more

its all in the programming and i think less is more is better as it makes you do creative things trying to get the most out of ram

unlike today with streaming people are just making perfomances

and sampling and then just pressing keys that do the performance

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlspectra-with

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlnebula-with-provs

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlnebula-with-7

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlnebula-with-vs1

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlnebula-with-6

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlnebula-with-5

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlnebula-with-4

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlnebula-with-3

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlnebula-with-2

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlnebula-with-1

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/korg-t1-jmlnebula-with

these are using mostly the same preset data but with a different pcm multisound this just shows some of the things you can do with new pcm sets