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Lando2 · Joined: 05 Jun 2013 Posts: 48 Location: Germany

Hi,

I recently bought a kingkorg and really enjoy playing and programming it.

I wanted to program a patch with a vibrato that is fading in and had to realize that the LFOs dont have a delayparameter. Then I tried to modulate the LFO Intensity by an envelope using a virtual patch, but LFO Intensity is no patch destination!!

I only found the way to modulate the intensity by the joystick.

Is there no way to do it? Any idea for a workaround?

Thanks Lando

jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

Hi Lando,

havn't found a way either so far. CC#089 (LFO1ModInt) is available for control modulation intensity, but I see no way to get it as destination.

So fading in a vibrato with growing intensity after a short delay seems not to be an available option?
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Lando2 · Joined: 05 Jun 2013 Posts: 48 Location: Germany

Hmmm, isnt it a elementary function? I cant understand, why korg forget? this.

One workaround could be to use two identical timbres one with LFO and one without LFO and then fade one out and one in. I didnt try it, cause its a bit complicated.

Lando

jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

It is indeed an elementary function.

It would be useful if someone from Korg knowing the KK structure well could answer here. I guess Dan and Rich are not familiar with the KK, because it was not developed in the US as far as I know.
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Lando2 · Joined: 05 Jun 2013 Posts: 48 Location: Germany

I think it dont make sense to write to the normal support.

Does somebody know to whom i can adress such a request?

Thanks Lando

Scott · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 1015

I'm not sure I'd call it an "elementary function" at least in the respect that it was not common on the old analog synths Korg is basically trying to emulate here, either. Usually you'd introduce modulation as desired with a mod wheel, or you might have been able to hook up a foot pedal, or in some cases, aftertouch. But there is an irony here in that the very first Mini-Korg actually had a "delay vibrato" switch.

I agree, though, that this would be very useful, esp. in a board w/o aftertouch. If there is indeed no way to program it in, I wonder whether it's a feature that could possibly be added in a software update.

You could use a foot pedal, but the KK only has one foot controller jack (other than damper), and unfortunately, as far as I can tell from the manual, it looks like its assignment is global (i.e. you can't have it function as some kind of modulation on one patch, volume on another). It would be nice if, in addition to a global default, you could override that and specify the function of the pedal on a patch-by-patch basis. That would also be something nice to see in a software update.

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

Many old synths had an LFO delay. It seems a rather large on a modern VA synth where adding such a function would hardly require any processing power at all.

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Scott · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 1015

X-Trade · Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:01 pm Post subject:

The microKorg is incapable of this.
As is the R3.

Radias was incapable of it until the 2.0 update where virtual patch intensity was added as a modulation destination.

So you're not alone there.
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Scott · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 1015

X-Trade · Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:12 pm Post subject:

jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

Nowadays most new synth boards have some headroom for OS-Updates. So hoping for at least some minor future KK OS enhancements probably does make sense.
Making delayed modulation an option on the KK with it's missing aftertouch should really be part of an update.

For the time being this lightweght board is already pure fun to me, while I use it during summer vacation right now, programming some sounds and working on a few songs with nothing but the KK and a little Notebook with me. The sonic flexibility of the KK surprises me again and again: despite its basic character it is able to change VA colours like a chameleon.
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Lando2 · Joined: 05 Jun 2013 Posts: 48 Location: Germany

jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

I wasn't aware this works on the KK as well.
Just tried it: confirmed.

And only now I begin to understand what can be done that way:
thanks a lot from me too, xtrade!
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