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itsme1234



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:05 pm    Post subject: MicroKorg XL+ sounds on XL Reply with quote

Has anyone successfully transferred the sounds of the XL+ onto the XL?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Yep, I had.
I did something similar as the program of VladiKuz (see http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=87208) way before he released his program.
I downloaded the XL+ editor and took the file holding the factory presets of the XL+ and pushed them through my script (or you can use VladiKuz' program). This way you end up with a library file which can be read by the XL editor and thus downloaded to the XL.

Note, parameters on the XL+ match nicely one on one on those of the XL. We assume that both boards have exactly or almost exactly the same engine and thus the converted XL+ patches should sound exactly the same on the XL. (I could not compare them by ear...) However there is at least one type of patches that will sound different. It are those patches which make use of PCM samples. The set of samples between XL and XL+ are different.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks much for the reply OpAmp. But how do you get the files/patches from the XL+ to be converted?

I only see the XL+.exe install file. Do I actually have to install the program first before I can find the XL+ patch files?

Sorry to sound like such a newbie. Thanks again!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't remember exactly. Probably yes. Especially if you say you only find the setup exe back...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itsme1234
Do I actually have to install the program first before I can find the XL+ patch files?

Yes, install the "XL+ editor" and you find the factory presets XL+ in folder "\Program Files\KORG\microKORG XL+\Preset Data"
But, you may just download alredy converted XL+ presets from here:
http://korgpatches.com/patches/microkorg_xl/mkxlplus_factory_for_xl


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OpAmp
However there is at least one type of patches that will sound different. It are those patches which make use of PCM samples. The set of samples between XL and XL+ are different

Yes, using the documentation, I quote lists PCM/DWGS samples, denoting the color differences between the XL + and XL:
"green" - no differences present
"red" - differences present
"black" - names is slightly different, but how it sounds by ear?

XLplus PCM...............XL PCM
1 SG PIANO ...............1 APIANO
2 ROSE EP (*) ............2 ROSE EP *
3 DYNO EP ................3 WURLY EP
4 WURLY EP...............4 VPM EP1
5 E GRAND .................5 VPM EP2

6 CLAV1 .....................6 CLAV1
7 CLAV2 .....................7 CLAV2
8 CLAV3 .....................8 CLAV3

9 CXORGAN1 ..............9 ORGAN1
10 CXORGAN2 ...........10 ORGAN2
11 M1ORGAN1 ...........11 ORGAN3

12 M1ORGAN2 ...........12 M1ORGAN
13 VOX ORG1 .............13 FULORGAN
14 VOX ORG2 .............14 VOXORGAN
15 TAPE FLT ...............15 PIPEORG
16 TAPE STR ..............16 STRINGS

17 BRASS ..................17 BRASS
18 GUITAR1...............18 GUITAR1
19 GUITAR2 ..............19 GUITAR2
20 BASS1 ..................20 BASS1
21 BASS2 ..................21 BASS2
22 BASS3...................22 BASS3
23 BELL1....................23 BELL1
24 BELL2....................24 BELL2
25 BELL3 ...................25 BELL3

26 CHOIR ...................26 SYNPAD1
27 SYNPAD1 ..............27 SYNPAD2
28 SYNPAD2 ..............28 SYNPAD3
29 SYNSINE1..............29 SYNSINE1
30 SYNSINE2 .............30 SYNSINE2
31 SYNSINE3 .............31 SYNSINE3
32 SYNSINE4 .............32 SYNSINE4
33 SYNSINE5..............33 SYNSINE5
34 SYNSINE6..............34 SYNSINE6
35 SYNSINE7..............35 SYNSINE7
36 SYNWAVE1............36 SYNWAVE1
37 SYNWAVE2............37 SYNWAVE2
38 SYNWAVE3............38 SYNWAVE3
39 SYNWAVE4............39 SYNWAVE4
40 SYNWAVE5............40 SYNWAVE5
41 SYNWAVE6............41 SYNWAVE6
42 SYNWAVE7............42 SYNWAVE7
43 SYNWIRE1..............43 SYNWIRE1
44 SYNWIRE2..............44 SYNWIRE2
45 SYNWIRE3..............45 SYNWIRE3
46 SYNWIRE4..............46 SYNWIRE4
47 5THSAW.................47 5THSAW
48 5THSQU..................48 5THSQU
49 DIGI1......................49 DIGI1
50 DIGI2......................50 DIGI2
51 DIGI3......................51 DIGI3
52 DIGI4......................52 DIGI4
53 DIGI5......................53 DIGI5
54 DIGI6......................54 DIGI6
55 DIGI7......................55 DIGI7
56 DIGI8......................56 DIGI8
57 DIGI9......................57 DIGI9
58 SYNVOX1................58 SYNVOX1
59 SYNVOX2................59 SYNVOX2
60 ENDLESS(**)..........60 ENDLESS **
61 NOISE1...................61 NOISE1
62 NOISE2...................62 NOISE2
63 NOISE3...................63 NOISE3
64 NOISE4...................64 NOISE4


note: the name WURLY EP in XL+ in position 4, and WURLY EP in XL in position 3.


This programs (within default presets XL+) uses PCM samples, different from XL PCM samples:

A15 TAPE STR (16 TAPE STR)
A16 TAPE FLT (15 TAPE FLT)
A26 VOX ORG (13 VOX ORG1)
A35 WHOO PAD (26 CHOIR)
A36 SG PIANO (1 SG PIANO)

A56 M1 ORGAN (12 M1ORGAN2)
A75 LAGOON (14 VOX ORG2)
A78 SPECTMOD (26 CHOIR)
B16 WURLY EP (4 WURLY EP)
B26 C-PIANO (5 E GRAND)
B36 DYNO EP (3 DYNO EP)




It would be interesting to test - listen to differing named PCM samples to XL and XL +. Perhaps here there owners XL +, which would have recorded examples of these samples? (Samples with XL I can record and upload.)


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VladiKuz,
Thanks for figuring that out!
In the end, it seems only a very limited number of samples are different between both boards...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep digging difference in XL/XLplus PCM/DWGS samples ...
I found Interestig thing. As is known, the "MicroKorgXL (XL+) Sound Editor" provides a number of presets.

So, "XL Sound Editor" includes:
MK_FactoryPreset.mkxl_all
MS2K_FactoryPreset.mkxl_all
MS2KB_FactoryPreset.mkxl_all


"XL+ Sound Editor" includes:
microKORG_FactoryPreset.mkxlp_all
MS2K_FactoryPreset.mkxlp_all
MS2KB_FactoryPreset.mkxlp_all



Each of these files XL+ are identical to XL files, and using samples PCM/DWGS with different names on the XL and XLplus, but with one and the same numbers.

XLplus PCM...............XL PCM
1 SG PIANO ...............1 APIANO
3 DYNO EP ................3 WURLY EP
4 WURLY EP...............4 VPM EP1
5 E GRAND .................5 VPM EP2
9 CXORGAN1 ..............9 ORGAN1
10 CXORGAN2 ...........10 ORGAN2
11 M1ORGAN1 ...........11 ORGAN3
12 M1ORGAN2 ...........12 M1ORGAN
13 VOX ORG1 .............13 FULORGAN
14 VOX ORG2 .............14 VOXORGAN
15 TAPE FLT ...............15 PIPEORG
16 TAPE STR ..............16 STRINGS
26 CHOIR ...................26 SYNPAD1

If PCM/DWGS samples are really different in motherboards XL and XL+, it is very strange!
In other words, if the sound of these samples varies significantly between models XL and XL+, the same programs in these files will sound completely different on models XL and XL+.
Why, then, KORG not corrected these presets for XL+, but actually just took the old files created for XL model?

Another strange thing.
The "XL+ Sound Editor" has a menu item "Import MicroKORG XL Library Data..". With its help, you can import any file from a preset model XL, but no warning that the file uses incompatible samples will be issued.
Interesting example: if program from XL uses PCM/DWGS sample called "WURLY EP", and this sample has number 3 in PCM-set of XL board, then the same sample set in the PCM-set XLPlus is number 4.
However, after the import preset with such a program, the preset number is not corrected automatically by "XL+ Sound Editor" from number 3 to 4 (in the settings of timbre will already sample called "DYNO EP").

Thus, these observations suggest that the sound of these samples differ very little between the models and the XL and XLplus, and perhaps even no differences (except names)?..
Finally put an end to these speculations can only comparison sound of XL and XL+ PCM/DWGS samples by ears. I need help owner model XLplus.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmh, the Korg engineers either forgot to take into account the change in the PCM samples or only spent little time in the conversion and limited themself to change only the headers in the library files...
After all, not too many people will have both boards and can compare the quality of the conversion after all... Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would finally find out exactly how much different the sound of some PCM/DWGS samples XL and XLPlus models, described above, I need help of owner model MixroKorg XLPlus.

This ZIP-archive (just about 3 kilobytes) contains a MIDI file and file-presets for XLPlus. Presets must be loaded in MikroKorg, and by playing through it midi-file (1 min 35sek.), record audio into MP3 and WMA and send me (the address and step-instructions is inside the archive).
I'll post both received the file (with the XL model I record myself), and all visitors can see how very different sound samples models XL and XLplus.

Thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here you can hear the sound of 13 PCM/DWGS samples XL.
http://vladikuz72.narod.ru/XLplus2XL/DWGS_TEST_XL_44k.mp3

Now it is necessary that somebody from owners XLplus models did the same thing - loaded my preset bank and play midi file, with recording outputs.

All that is required - here: http://vladikuz72.narod.ru/XLplus2XL/DWGS_TEST_XL.zip

Thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still waiting for assistance from the owners MicroKORG XL+...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please, somebody of XLplus users - it's simple...
Still waiting...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this thread is quite old already, but do you still need the recordings? i have the xl+.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes! Yes! Yes!
Please, record sound from XL+, loading my test bank and playing my special midi-file.
Thanks for advance!
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