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filipe_l · Full Member Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 217

Hi.I have a style that when i change the chord pa3x doesnt recognize in the first instance the chord,sometimes the first bass note or drum are muted...

admar · Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 4:33 pm Post subject:

Two possible causes come to mind:
1. the chord-change is applied too late (try to change chord just before the next measure)
2. the style isn't created right, i.e. the first note is actually at the end of the previous measure (happens sometimes when a style is created from a midi file that isn't quantized correctly for this)

admar

filipe_l · Full Member Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 217

Yes the style was created by a midi file but has the notes well quantized and if i have key start on when i put the hands to make the chord, the first note of bass and other sounds doesnt play (it sounds like polyphony problem)

Sam CA · Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 5:03 pm Post subject:

I don't think this has anything to do with polyphony. Although you've quantized the midi events, but to me it seems like the starting point of the very first Bass/drum midi event are off grid by a very small amount. So keyboard thinks they belong to the last measure and not first.

Do you hear them when the variation loops the second time around? If yes, then this is definitely the problem.
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filipe_l · Full Member Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 217

https://www.dropbox.com/s/41hlvhq3amfgqcv/StyleProblem.STY

Here it is the style.

filipe_l · Full Member Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 217

Did you test the style?

Sam CA · Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:19 pm Post subject:

Just saw the message.

No can't test it as I don't have access to my keyboard at the moment. If you can export the style as Midi, I can check it out.
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filipe_l · Full Member Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 217

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cr3b82dxu0mz1e2/Caminhoneiro.MID

filipe_l · Full Member Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 217

Anyone ?

BillyHank · Senior Member Joined: 29 Jun 2013 Posts: 412

I don't know if this will help much, but the style has these problems:

1. Var1 CV2 quits in middle of var.
2. Var2 has no CV1.
3. Intro volumes are much lower than Main var.

After listening to the MIDI and the Style, I can see why you want this one as it is really a great sounding style.

Don't give up on it because you are very close.

Bill G

filipe_l · Full Member Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 217

Yes i can do that changes but i dont think it wiil make any dif. Did you heard the problem @

BillyHank · Senior Member Joined: 29 Jun 2013 Posts: 412

Well for me, as long as I did the chord change before the beat just a little bit, I didn't have any problem.

I think the last note in the variation may just be too close to the end of the bar.

Try shortening it by a small amount or delay the beginning note of each variation by a small amount.

I think this may only be needed on the Bass.

Bill G

AntonySharmman · Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:11 am Post subject:

filipe
Try factory styles to see that this isn't happening , so definitely your style has some issues
First read advanced Edit manual / Style Track Controls: Type/Trigger/Tension for your Bass track (where Repitch is needed).
Second , when the strong part of a measurement happens to be at last 8th or 16th of a 4/4 like calypso or reggae styles ,
then your chord change must follow these accents to be reproduced properly.
Also recognition mode and the way you play in time your chord notes , can dramatically effect the resultant recognition
and can loose the root notes of some instruments like Bass , just hold the same chord for some measurements to listen
of how constant chord recognition behaves with your style.
As last remember that quantize can totally destroy a really good groove , and only the creator knows how to use it properly !
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Sam CA · Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 12:00 am Post subject:

Ok, just got a chance to check your midi file.

Which part of this midi/style you're having problem with? Intro1?Variations?...

Be specific please!

Also a few things that I saw here and there. Were these intentional or just editing errors?

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filipe_l · Full Member Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 217

Any variation and cv if you change the chord and start playing you will notice what i mean and it is not just the bass. No that notes are not intentional, i can delete that one with minimal length and the other is intro . intro doesnt make the dif