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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:44 pm    Post subject: Undocumented operation hints, tricks and traps. Reply with quote

A forum is a great place to share our discoveries. While many are actually documented somewhere, it is always fun to address one and share it... bringing followers a win for that day. Most of the hints, shortcus and traps are simple shortcuts or problem awareness/solutions. Just like vitamins come in one-a-day capsules the contributions are best if clearly worded and to the point.
I will reply to this post with a sample.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SITUATION:

When an introduction is started during a performer's gig, there are times when one looks down and is alarmed to see that the VARIATION that is flashing in readiness is not the one the performer wants at all! It is the most complicated and loud one. The correct VARIATION is selected and then, oh oh, the long introduction is cut short in the worst possible measure and the selected VARIATION starts.

SOLUTION HINT:

Instead, press the VARIATION button you actually need and then immediately after press the playing INTRO's button.

RESULT:

The INTRO plays to completion and then the newly selected VARIATION starts. No awkward moments. Smooth as silk!

WHAT COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS SITUATION FROM HAPPENING:

Always check the VARIATION selected before starting an INTRO.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look forward to your contributions.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is of course this one:-

Double click any style element button (e.g. FILL/INTRO/ENDING) and it will loop continuously - press any style element button to cancel the loop.

...and...
In STYLE play mode, hold down SHIFT and press "SOUND" mode button - this will take you to SOUND mode and the UPPER1 sound directly.

...and...
In SONG PLAY mode, hold down SHIFT and ">>" to skip to next song when in jukebox selection.. (documented)

(Use "search" - it's awesome now)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be afraid to refine or append your own ideas about these hints, tips and traps. You can also add your comments about where you find the tip especially useful. Nobody will be offended. With all due to respect to Pete, I'll demonstrate.

karmathanever wrote:
There is of course this one:-

Double click any style element button (e.g. FILL/INTRO/ENDING) and it will loop continuously - press any style element button to cancel the loop.

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I have done this occasionally with BREAK, believe it or not, and it really packs some punch when I need to keep the high tension going.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

with break is working too (double click, loop), at least on Pa600. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you create special intro and get loop, then using tap tempo reset you got scratch DJ effect, is reset to beginning of track element, to first note. Smile
Beside Fade out/in working fine on the loops too.

Cool effect is if on the loop you assign sound for lower with change control by joystick, then enalble controls: JoystickX and Y in Keyboard Ensemble, and in Global Memory Mode Chord+Lower.
Then you hit a chord and play with joystick.
For best result disable joystick for Uppers , and using filter cutoff on Lower and play something on Keys Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemik wrote:
If you create special intro and get loop, then using tap tempo reset you got scratch DJ effect, is reset to beginning of track element, to first note. Smile
Beside Fade out/in working fine on the loops too.


GOOD TIP

In fact, you can, of course, do this with any factory intro sequence. Cool trick. Correct me if I am wrong, but there is no other way I can recall, with one keystroke, to seamlessly start back at the beginning of measure one of the INTRO sequence as many times as you want like this does. BTW... works just as well with ENDINGS 1 and 2 where one keystroke on the TAP/TEMPO/RESET seamlessly starts the ENDING sequence back at the beginning of measure one of the chosen ENDING sequence as many times as you want. Some ENDING seuences sound very pleasing as fills and then you can go back to a VARIATION or INTRO and play the same game all over again.

When you say, "Besides, FADE IN/OUT works fine on the loops too." You are referring probably to the three INTRO sequences, the four VARIATIONS, the four FILL IN sequences, BREAK, the three ENDING sequences. The application of this is expansive for the PA3X's actual use in practice. This means that the INTRO 1 & 2 could be chosen to conclude a performance and then FADE IN/OUT makes them go to zero volume, effectively permitting those to be used as endings with certain STYLEs. NOW you have five endings, not three. Secondly, it means that ENDING 1 & 2 can be selected and then FADE IN/OUT pressed to fade them in as introductions, try it and you will find that the selected VARIATION starts after the ENDING sequence concludes and plays normally. WOW, ... now you have not three INTRO's but another three in the ENDINGS as well. ENDING 1 has chords changing in its sequence while ENDING 2 takes the chords from the LOWER notes played and can be given a chord progression by the User. ENDING 3 also works but you'd better have one very short fade in time set in Global to make sense of it. See Global -> General Controls -> Fade In/Out Time -> Fade In Time [s] -> minimum setting of 5 seconds barely does the job in most STYLEs. Maximum setting of 20 seconds doesn't work for making ENDING 3 into an INTRO.

Look what we've done here already... effectively almost DOUBLED the number of INTROs and ENDINGS you've got to use.



Nemik wrote:
Cool effect is if on the loop you assign sound for lower with change control by joystick, then enalble controls: JoystickX and Y in Keyboard Ensemble, and in Global Memory Mode Chord+Lower. Then you hit a chord and play with joystick. For best result disable joystick for Uppers , and using filter cutoff on Lower and play something on Keys Smile


Sorry to say, I can't quite understand this one because I am trying to relate the first part with the second and perhaps you have moved on to an entirely separate topic.

When you say, "on the loop you assign sound for lower with change control by joystick," are you referring to:
1. A user-created INTRO sequence?
2. A factory INTRO sequence? Have an example of one with LOWER voice sustained while INTRO sequence executes itself? Usually LOWER keystrokes and sustained LOWER play before starting INTRO, are automatically muted when the INTRO sequence is being played.
2. A user-recorded "Chord Sequencer" 'loop'? LOWER voice is muted (when either Chord + Lower or Fixed Arr. + Lower are the selected MEMORY MODE) when the chord sequence is played!
3. Normal STYLE PLAY operation with a sustained lower sound [by selecting Style Play Menu -> Main Page -> Preferences -> Memory Mode: -> Chord + Lower or Fixed Arr. + Lower and setting MEMORY keyboard control button to on (illuminated) while: 1. LOWER sound is not muted and 2.volume is high enough to be audible].

When you say, " then enable controls: Joystick X and Y in Keyboard Ensemble," are you referring to Style Play Menu -> Main Page -> Keyboard Ensemble -> Kbd Cnt. 1 -> Joystick X and Joystick Y for LOWER voice selected?

Can you suggest a good example of a LOWER voice that would benefit from pitch bend or modulation? Anyone have a good idea? Could you include a good UPPER sound to go with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It never ends !!!!!!!

Just realized that if you set the FADE IN/OUT setting to a 20 second FADE OUT duration, you can start the ENDING 1, for example, and then activate that 20 second FADE OUT and now tap the TAP TEMPO RESET to return to measure 1 of the ENDING 1 anywhere you please in the sequence so that only a portion of it plays and then the fade is going to create the zero volume conclusion of the peformance. Who would have thought? Now you have another different ENDING entirely and as many as you can dream up for the place to interrupt/restart the sequence. Who knows what magic you could do with this using ENDING 2 where you can control the chord progression yourself while, YES, simultaneously sounding the LOWER voice (NOT so with ENDING 1). ENDING 3 can be repeatedly restarted to measure 1, quickly of course, (sounds interesting) but by the time the fade out finishes perhaps the audience in the last rows can hear you clicking on that TAP TEMPO RESET button. Oh well, maybe your EC5 is quieter than the panel button, but I can hear both on mine distinctly. It depends I guess, if or not you're playing to a silent audience/house/studio. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you suggest a good example of a LOWER voice that would benefit from pitch bend or modulation? Anyone have a good idea? Could you include a good UPPER sound to go with it.

Is all depend what music you play, but try use for lower Factory/Synth Lead /Cosmic usign Y modulation. Cool
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1. A user-created INTRO sequence?

Is best if you customize intro with some light beat and base:)
Dosen't seem work on Intro 1, but you can use also other elements, even Var, but I like use as Breakdown/buildup on Intro, not always looped.
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When you say, " then enable controls: Joystick X and Y in Keyboard Ensemble," are you referring to Style Play Menu -> Main Page -> Keyboard Ensemble -> Kbd Cnt. 1 -> Joystick X and Joystick Y for LOWER voice selected?

Yes.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kgardner53 wrote:
It never ends !!!!!!!

Just realized that if you set the FADE IN/OUT setting to a 20 second FADE OUT duration, you can start the ENDING 1, for example, and then activate that 20 second FADE OUT and now tap the TAP TEMPO RESET to return to measure 1 of the ENDING 1 anywhere you please in the sequence so that only a portion of it plays and then the fade is going to create the zero volume conclusion of the peformance. Who would have thought? Now you have another different ENDING entirely and as many as you can dream up for the place to interrupt/restart the sequence. Who knows what magic you could do with this using ENDING 2 where you can control the chord progression yourself while, YES, simultaneously sounding the LOWER voice (NOT so with ENDING 1). ENDING 3 can be repeatedly restarted to measure 1, quickly of course, (sounds interesting) but by the time the fade out finishes perhaps the audience in the last rows can hear you clicking on that TAP TEMPO RESET button. Oh well, maybe your EC5 is quieter than the panel button, but I can hear both on mine distinctly. It depends I guess, if or not you're playing to a silent audience/house/studio. Laughing

You hit again Fade out/in and switching from fade out to fade in and continue play Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemik wrote:

You hit again Fade out/in and switching from fade out to fade in and continue play Smile


I can think of one very good use of this tip.

If you are in a STYLE where, let's say, the VARIATION 4 really becomes much more complicated and much, much louder... you could fade down while playing VARIATION 1, 2, or 3 and then before doing the fade back up, change to VARIATION 4 and now the change over won't be as jarring to the listeners.

Other applications, anyone?
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Slower Intro - very easy.
Sometimes, you want play something between performance which need to be different Tempo, that rest of song, slower for example.
You can change in intro Tempo simply insert in Edit Event /Master Track : M:001.01.001 Tempo (new tempo) right after Meter line, saved and when you play this element is going to overwrite for your new Tempo, all other stay unchanged. Wink

Some song has slower Intro Smile
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Nemik wrote:
Slower Intro - very easy. Sometimes, you want play something between performances which needs to be performed at a different Tempo; the rest of that song slower, for example.
You can change the intro Tempo by simply inserting in Edit Event /Master Track : M:001.01.001 Tempo (new tempo) right after Meter line, saved and when you play this element it is going to overwrite the existing Tempo with your newly-selected Tempo, all other settings remaining unchanged. Wink

Some songs have slower Intros Smile
Please excuse edits of the quotation, and correct any misunderstandings/errors on my part.


When you say, "You can change in intro Tempo simply insert in Edit Event /Master Track : M:001.01.001 Tempo (new tempo) right after Meter line, saved and when you play this element," Perhaps you could be more detailed and specific as to:
1. the MODE you would use this in, LYRICS, SEQUENCER ?
2. If you were playing normally in simplest STYLE PLAY mode, how could you accomplish the same thing most easily?
3. Would you prefer to create a new VARIATION to do this most easily in a live performance situation?
4. Could you also make use of Accelerando/Ritardando to do something similar, yet not so abruptly, with a specific Accelerando/Ritardando duration of ____ seconds?

I am interested to know what situations you need to be in to do it the way you wrote considering that there are other of us forum member viewers, less knowledgeable of ALL the ways PA3X operates, who would like to understand fully what you are referring to and would be grateful for further clarification if you have time and inclination to offer some. That way, the tip becomes more usable to more users and clearer for those of us who think we do understand your tip. Who knows, your description/clarification may alert us to another short cut or keyboard capability you are using that we hadn't stumbled onto yet!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemik wrote:
Slower Intro - very easy.
Sometimes, you want play something between performance which need to be different Tempo, that rest of song, slower for example.
You can change in intro Tempo simply insert in Edit Event /Master Track : M:001.01.001 Tempo (new tempo) right after Meter line, saved and when you play this element is going to overwrite for your new Tempo, all other stay unchanged. Wink

Some song has slower Intro Smile


Yes! This works fine. Just Insert new Tempo event in Master track of Intro1 (and/or Intro2) and then save the style. Thanks for the hint!!!

Edit: You can also use this techniques to change the tempo per variation and/or endings
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